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No one is making any argument purely off of yards we also happen to be 27th in scoring and living in the same neighborhood as the Saints in that department and scoring % of drives. There QB doing more lifting moving the ball and our RBs factoring more.

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Fitz, this is the pitiful Panthers......there's not much positive to grab a hold of....let us fans have a little hope!! please...

They did that with Lovie Smith for the next guy, I forget his name…. Dirk Koetter. Had to look him up lol. That worked out.

I got no issue looking at common opponents in starts. But you couldn’t for example use Seattle after this weekend and say Bryce did X and Shough had 0 passing yards. Seattle represents a game that skews his small sample size. Jets? Tampa? Miami? Atlanta? Rams? That’s all would be relevant in a convo about those two. Seattle wouldn’t

For me he needs to do that this week so it is 16 games. Otherwise, asterisk.

That is true. There is also the eyeball test. Which can fool you because you can’t see decision making so easily but the physical ability is usually pretty trustworthy. But I feel like most people can learn what not to do. Unless you are Will Levis lol, and maybe even he can.

TMac needs just 76 more yards to break 1k, and only 9 more than that to break the Panthers Rookie receiving yards record set by Kelvin Benjamin. If he can haul in at least 45 yards in each of the next 2 games he’ll have it.

Anyone thinking like me- we won't see Jarvy until after the Olympics?

A QB's average yards thrown is a pretty useless stat to measure them buy. They could average 300 yards a game but yards don't score points, TD's do.

Yards a game works better over a longer period of time as well. Averages always work out over the long run. The smaller the sample size the easier it is to skew. Also opponents matter more when the size is small. Player 1 lights up 2 bad defenses in 4 starts vs Player 2 playing 10 games vs multiple defenses. It hard to make it apples to apples how it currently sits. Remember during Bryce’s little run last year how annoyed you were when people were pulling Bryce’s starts from week 9 on vs the whole season.

Someone else claimed I said EVERY. Literally in my post breaking it down it gave Bryce TDs per game. Shough however has the majority in his favor if just looking at starts. whats subjective about comp %, yards, QB ratings and turnovers? Now I guess the argument one might make off them could be subjective. But all I’m saying is statistically as a starter he has been better this year overall. I don’t think Shough is great. I think he is impressive based on the situation. 2nd rounder stepping in on a bad team. And he like so many other QBs…..serves as little red flag going off about what we are doing here offensively.

Player A - 2 starts. 200 yards in each start. He averages 200 yards a game. Player B - 1 start. Throws for 400 yards. Comes in another random game and has 1 pass attempt on a Hail Mary to end the game that goes incomplete. Now given the random game he appeared for a snap, he averages 200 yards a game. Thats why you isolate starts. If you are talking starter vs someone who began as a backup. Simple made up numbers/situations to illustrate the point.

You said he has every statistical metric in 2025 and then your whole argument is subjective. He does have the 2 wins head to head I’ll give him that. I’ll take the guy that is 11-5 TD to INT ratio over the other guys same starting period. Shough is good for a rookie but let’s not lose our minds just yet.

No it isn't. Starting against an easy defense is nothing like starting against a stout defense. There is nothing fairer than comparing their performance against the same teams. You just don't like it because it makes your boy look bad.

Odd that you can't figure out they both played against the same defenses so it is only fair that they be compared against those same defenses. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out, especially given I said "apples to apples".

Wherever Mitch Kupchak is and whatever he is doing he should be punched in the dick for trading away Jalen Duren.

Starts vs starts is apples to apples. starts vs letting 4th and 3rd quarter appearances skew one persons per game stats and not the other is apples and grapefruits.

No worries. I didn’t. I don’t know what is hard to comprehend. You can just look at his starts vs literally any other QBs starts and see their production as a starter…. vs letting random late game appearances by QBs skew numbers QB rating is 91.6 in his 7 starts. No math is required on your part. Or mine. but I think what happened….is you are admitting you don’t have or know the numbers yet are arguing against them.

Burn baby burn!

Also, in my post I said I would like to know why it took so long… I guess Canales needed a year and a half to figure that out? We are gonna have to adjust the timeline for him catching on to this poo.

Damn them boys letting the poo emojis fly in this thread. I detest the Saints on a cellular level. TMac all day.

In your area? Easy to find out, go to the team site and look for Panthers radio network. You can stream it in the Panthers app on tablet or phone right from that app. I think you have to be in the approved location to get the broadcast but I am not sure about that. For some reason the internet thinks I am near Charlotte when I am in coastal SC so I don’t know what to tell you there. Anyway, Luke is on the Panthers’ radio team.

Yeah I’m conflating that with one against the saints. Perfect isn’t the word I’d use

they did do that didnt they lol