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Well, he won more games while Rhule was in the league than Rhule did.

I mean, I don't remember and am too lazy to look it up, but did he really inherit McDermott's defense, or did he inherent a defense where some of the key players had aged and/or moved on? That answer can make all the difference in the world.

After hearing that Steve Wilks canned Phil Snow, I couldn't help but think that the firing gives some credence to the unconfirmed twitter thread about dissension in Snow's ranks. Yes, I realize the defense was not perfect and certainly has serious third down issues, but it was still a respected squad, so I'd say that Wilks had better be right about deep-sixing Snow. It will turn out to be a very important executive decision for him, as it speaks to his decision making which in turn makes an understated statement about his genuine viability as the Panthers next HC (sans any "interim" label). It will be interesting to see how our defense evolves--and it will, or he wouldn't have fired Snow with such expediency. Not to mention Wilks' continuation of McAdoo's services on the offensive (pun kinda intended) side of the ball, will be nearly as important. For hardcore Panthers fans, the soap opera is real, and almost must-see TV for the next few weeks.

That riverboat floated down the river a while ago, and I surely wouldn't try to catch it.

He was responsible for essentially everything from my vantage point. He may have treated some like peons, per se, but I get the feeling that it was more about staff members' perceptions surrounding Rhule's desire to control and micromanage. Moreover, I wouldn't doubt for a minute that some of the players had their issues and were talking among themselves and with past players like Kuechly, CJ and Smitty.

He was frustrated about the state of things, and perhaps a little angry about questions that he felt were rhetorical in nature (especially one from Scott Fowler). In that same vein, I don't think that he appreciates some of the perceptions about the overall success of his sports and entertainment ventures in Charlotte. I didn't glean nervousness at all. I think that he's still open-minded to a degree and able and willing to learn from his mistakes. He's not commiting to any course of action right now, except to give Steve Wilks a fair shot at seeing what if any improvements he can bring about for the remainder of the year.

I think the more apropos title would be, "How disliked was Matt Rhule as a coach?" I do believe that as a person, some people actually liked him. I think that his coaching philosophy was a dark cloud over all, but that when players and staff actually have time to reflect over time, they'll be able to discriminate between the two. Rhule's modus operandi seems more a match for developing college and high school kids than developing men in a professional setting. I think that Rhule likes to impose his control, and that doesnt necessarily work well with free grown men. Men control themselves if they believe in a process that shows results.

We may tank naturally, but no one is going to try to tank. We know that. But, we also know that there are going to be a certain amount of we-should-tank philosophers on the forum...delusional as they are.

Nah, dude. Gotta wait for more info. Wilks and our current QB situation blunt--really bash over the head--any thoughts of even a temporary injection of positivity or winning energy about the current state of affairs. We are a dumpster fire with trash pail upside.

Jacob Eason

I don't blame him.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't follow Rhule (to Arizona State).

I doubt that we'd go the Payton route specifically because we'd have to give up too much to our division rival. I'd be shocked honestly.

From what I've seen, he gets paid his 40 mil from Tepper regardless. Edit: Well, maybe not. Offset language is offset language. Tepper will still be on the hook for something, but, really, who cares at this point? I was never concerned with Tepper's money, and never will be.

True, but Flores is the only one that finished with a seven game winning streak, and bested Bill Belichick in the win-loss column (including sweeping him) during the Patriots hey day.

Belichick had a losing record at one point. It's not how you begin, but how you finish.

America was built upon playing the race card, and those in power still refuse to make rational decisions because of it. So...miss me with that.

I think there's definitely something there. The streak that Miami went on was impressive. I'm not getting into the minutiae of whether Tua was ready at that point because he wasn't.

Believe it!

Ickey's improvement over four games has been very evident. I have no qualms at all saying that we've finally found our LT for the next decade.

The thing that I like about Fitterer is that he doesn't just rest on his hands, and is always opportunistic when it comes to upgrading the team. I also like that he learns. He screwed the pooch with Darnold by giving too much, but then he got Mayfield for very little. We were in a bind after the Darnold trade, but no one's gonna lose sleep over a 5th (if it comes to that, which is up to Rhule). Moreover, people want to cry about the Henderson trade, but CJ is developing. Sure he's given up a couple of big plays which has led to some inconsistency, but I saw only one awful play. The other could have easily been judged as a tangling of feet. Even still, in my mind, he's playing like a third-rounder with upside. All the obvious improvements along the O-line have been mentioned. The LB play hasn't been bad. Both can be attributed to Fitterer to varying degrees. This is his second year, and I've been encouraged. Fitt may not have hit his stride yet--and I certainly don't believe that he's hit his ceiling, but he's above average in my estimation.

Was just going to say the same thing. Fitterer hate is not quite justified.

Byron Leftwich.

CMC is not a receiver, that's the reason he is effective as a pass-catching RB; he doesn't have to deal with the opposition's cornerbacks, as the receivers clear them out for him. He is most effective in his role, and really doesn't have to be Deebo, and is in fact more dangerous than Deebo in an offense that plays to CMC's strengths and versatility.

This is so elementary, but it's above our coaches' heads. I just can't fathom why they won't do the obvious things...