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What's foolish is to form an opinion that really isn't based on anything but your feelings. I try to let things play out a little before I form an opinion. You mentioned Teddy. I don't remember anyone saying Teddy was a savior, and of course as the season went on, people naturally became tired of his brand of football. It's not rocket science. If people are declaring Darnold a bust now, that's their right. If people are declaring him a legit franchise QB, that's their right. But personally I think that both positions are downright stupid at this point, but that's me. I also think it's pretty stupid to come in here namecalling and signifying over a difference of opinion. It's OK to have a difference of opinion, but just back it up with some substance without all the extra foolishness.

I mean, unless possibly 89, and maybe 90 if you consider contributions within the context of historical NFL significance, but I personally haven't seen a Panthers player that deserves to have his number retired. That changes with elite play over a period of time as a Panther AND a championship! But until then, all are still on the table. 89 is the only one that you may change my mind on, but that's only you because he vastly outplayed his draft position, was an enigma in several respects, and was feared across the NFL for basically his entire time in the league.

We'll, anyone has to admit that the odds of a Bravvion and Dayvion being on the same team--much less an NFL team--at the same position, especially at the same time--is astronomical.

I can't be the only one that noticed this fun fact based upon today's team. Name two players in Panthers history that played defensive tackle. Hint: Rhymes with Le'Veon Answer: Bravvion Roy and Dayvion Nixon. That's some obscure Panthers trivia 40 years from now. I'm also gonna go out on a limb and say that it means both are going to be solid contributors for a long time.ᕙ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ

Nice replacement for Samuel? Who? David Moore was never a real threat to be a replacement for Samuel. I knew we would take at least one receiver during this draft based upon the fact that we didn't have a legit replacement for Samuel. We not only drafted one, but two receivers that are more likely to be Samuel replacements than David Moore. He is depth and a sneaky WR4 red zone threat. The days of mediocrity at receiver are gone. Thank goodness!

90>1 89>1 59>1

The reason you want to bump this thread when Fields wins and Darnold loses is not because you want to remind yourself of anything, but because you want to remind the Huddle how right you are. But, what will you do every time Darnold wins and Fields loses? Will you bump this thread as a reminder that your take was premature, ill-advised and bereft of anything related to genuine football knowledge, and more about being so butthurt that even morphine, much less Preparation H, can give you one ounce of comfort. I'll give you some credit--just a little bit--for going out on the limb and taking your shot. You're either very convicted or an unskilled troll. I go out on limbs sometimes, but I give reasons why based upon my experience of watching the game for decades. For example, In maybe the third week of September after Shula was hired as OC, I made a thread about how we should get rid of him. It was met with snark and people saying that Shula hadn't had enough time. Moreover, I'm sure that a few Huddlers remember how I made an early thread about how Philly Brown was JAG. Most thought that I was off my rocker! The point is that I had seen enough after watching a few games, but you haven't seen Darnold playing in a good situation for a few seconds, much less a few weeks. You're just spewing sh¡t based upon your own feelings. That's not how you earn anything resembling real credibility as it pertains to being a Panthers fan, much less a respected Huddler. We likely won't have a good read on Sam until after a half of season. I would bet that it takes at least a season more than that for Justin Fields (who hopefully will get time to actually develop before being thrown to the wolves in the Windy City). Another thing to consider is that the Bears are presumably ahead of the Panthers in terms of team building and ready to make a legit playoff run. So, making simplistic comparisons based upon win-loss records so soon may not be the best way to evaluate Fields and Darnold anyway. And when you throw all the young players into the mix that we've acquired who will likely need to get their wings underneath then and gel, it makes evaluating the totality of the 2021 draft even more complex. So, slow your roll! You could turn out right. I doubt it, but you could. But just make sure you man up and let us know how wrong you are, when we start tearing it up.

Arnold got some buzz when he signed. He also got some snark. That's the Huddle. Everybody doesn't appreciate Tremble at the moment either. They'll earn their stripes on the artificial turf.

Terrace Marshall is a hard worker, has great character, and has a high football IQ. You comparing him to Dwayne Jarrett is simply ludicrous. Really!

Hell, I can't remember who, but someone posted a whole thread about it earlier this year when comparing Fields vs. Lance.

Say what you want about Scott Fitterer, but this draft has the potential to be our best (at least, in years). And we all knew on an intellectual level that Fitterer didn't have any final say in Seahawks' decisions, but now we can realistically deduce that with damned near 100 be percent surety because this draft has been better than anything the Seahawks have done in a long time as well. And most would be willing to wager--right now--that this draft was better than the Panthers' 2020 draft as well, and Fitterer is very likely the reason why. We've all heard about using free agency to set up the draft. The concept is simple to understand. We filled a bunch of holes--albeit not necessarily with A-list players--and that allowed Fitterer and company to hold true to drafting the BPA (at least on days one and two), and get excellent value all throughout the draft. Like I said, the concept is simple to understand, but apparently difficult to follow through on. But that's exactly what Fitterer (and Rhule) did, and what David Tepper allowed to happen without any interference. Not to mention that we won't be broke next year, in money or draft capital. If this is the way things are going to be run, Panthers fans everywhere should be excited!

More than a few had Horn as the number one corner in this class. More may have had Surtain first--maybe, but Horn being picked first is no shock. FWIW, Pitts faced both and he said that Horn was the best DB he faced.

Marshall is a first round talent and provided the better value. In my mind, he was the BPA. And I'd bet that he will have the most impactful career. Team building is about choices because you just can't draft every talented player available. Sometimes a veteran is an answer, especially in the short term (not saying that Heath is, or that some other vet isn't), but we'll get more chances to address the position in the future regardless.

We had an excellent draft, so I really don't know why you'd be mad, much less "even more mad." It seems kinda silly because they can't draft everyone. But, to each his own. ¯\_༼ •́ ͜ʖ •̀ ༽_/¯

Good lord, man, this is my first time seeing this. I watched it several times.

I remember this story. His uncle was a high character guy as well. He couldn't swim but that didn't stop him from trying.

Add Shi Smith because he is too talented to let go. Add David Moore because he has NFL experience. Add Omar Bayless because he flashed last camp, and is likely better and is younger than Zylstra.

Noooooooo! Don't Tell me that! That's another reason I stay away from the Tinderbox, so I can exist in the main forum in bliss about certain posters. I mean, I can harbor certain suspicions without permanently feeling some type of way.

Agree with everything, except that I'd grade Shi Smith as an A. This kid can ball. He's a smaller guy, but he's not that small. He's got good size for his height, and will likely get a little bigger and stronger in the pros. He plays big, and will outplay his draft position. Mark it down!

I agree. I certainly don't think they're just making moves all willy-nilly or out of some sense of panic or desperation as some have seemed to suggest here. The only place that narrative is even put forth and entertained is on the Huddle. And Darnold is the perfect example of that. Some here have exclaimed desperation, while many pros have repeatedly proclaimed it a shrewd move and expect good dividends at the very least.

I think we're on the same page somewhat. What I'm getting at is that they obviously valued several of this players in the third round as effective second rounders not only in this year's draft class, but next year's as well. I don't believe that they're thinking that the present draft class is always the most important from a personnel or a draft capital perspective. Some FOs may view things from such a simplistic perspective, but Rhule and--now--Fitterer seem to be very much forward thinkers in terms of the bigger picture.

All draft pools are not equal. You may not want to acknowledge this fact, but you know that it's absolutely true on an intellectual level. These scouting departments scout players from highschool (sometimes earlier) through college.