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Not even the arms, that man only weighs 291... That is small as hell for an interior OL And some of ya'll wanted him at #6, FFS Not saying he isn't worth a selection before the conclusion of Day 2, but his size is a ''?'' to me, of course he can add weight; but that would take a while for the weight / strength / athleticism to match up.

I'm all for Rhule slander, but on THIS roster who you really trusting as the FS? Sean Chandler a 4.65 guy with limited range Juston Burriss a Corner turned Safety who been depth his whole career almost (see time with CLE Browns) as a 4.53 guy (at least more respectable) Hartsfield an UDFA became the nickel due to suspension (Bouye); and was hurt himself later on, and played HB some in 2021. And no one here liked Tre' Boston there and even so he was cut. So really Chinn ''based on the roster we had'' he was the least likely to give up big plays deep. I think it was more necessity, than idiocy in this case. He did spend some time in the box though not as much, I'd anticipate an addition of a FS to free Chinn up some more. 2020 - 117 tackles, 1 INT, 1 sack 2021 - 107 tackles, 1 INT, 1 sack (The production was there, just not in the same fashion / impact) The Christensen stuff was complete and utter idiocy, as was the handling of the QB position.

Been saying THIS for a minute, Cam was always the PERFECT bridge QB and was cheaper than TB the year he was released. Allows the team to compete at a high-level while not FORCING the issue with a rookie. People forget Tannehill earned an extension before Gase, he was ALREADY consider good in MIA. Darnold has / had NOTHING but bad tape with some highlights sprinkled in. The fact these morons traded 3 picks for a guy likely to be released as he was in his 4th year, and no future guarantees on a team that was taking a QB #2 continues to remind me this FO / Staff didn't have a clue wtf they were doing. I am concerned that they STILL don't know wtf they are doing, and are reluctant to make ''common sense'' decisions.

Did we meet with Fields...? *Real question, not sarcasm*

Why would you not though...opportunity is opportunity take it while its there.

You still need good players under contract for the future.

IMO, bring Cam back if he's willing, best man in camp wins it out between him and Darnold, unless we can find a salary dump off for him. Trade #6 to add a future 1st, while recouping Day 2 capitol to allow more flexibility versus having to wait until 100. I don't think there are any ''sexy'' options this off-season because they went into panic mode when the trades for Stafford / Watson fell through / SF traded up to #3. Then panicked again while 3-0 when Jaycee went down. This team has been reactionary since Rhule has been here, there does not seem to be a clear plan in place, with the ability to execute it, so going into year 3 I expect even more frustrating disappointment.

If a team traded for CMC, AND took the guaranteed money we're looking at less pick value and that is not worth it as the trading team is going to look at picking up the guaranteed money as trade value give to us as well. Trading CMC is not the option, fielding a competent offense is, and trading #6 would recoup more value than trading a back that's on a big deal, has several years left, and finished the last two years on IR.

The most efficient option is to sell the pick, if we get anything similar to what was received for #6 last year, then do it so long as we stay in the top 15. Take BPA / OL / QB, and use those additional picks as chess pieces in the draft to continue to build out OL depth as we will only be so active in FA based on our ''current'' cap situation as of 2/15/22. That trade should secure a future first, so if we can get Willis, add OL on Day 2, or even trade newly acquired Day 2 picks to add more Day 2 / 3 picks to continue to build out the roster. If we don't take a QB, we'll have ammo in 23' with that future 1st + our own to make a move IF needed.

I would like this! Then Fire Rhule.

I will say at the least Fitterer echoed a sentiment that he thought there could be some worth looking at in the middle rounds, but not early as I paraphrase his comments a week or so ago. Hopefully Rhule doesn't get his way (Pickett).

I hate this, but I can 100% see it happening. I was in the Fields camp last year, hoped he fell to #8 and we took a f****** corner because ''we believe in Sam'' guaranteed him 18.8M BEFORE EVER PLAYING A SNAP. Now we'll get the Kenny's a 3 or 4 year starter bs, and he's ''athletic'' for the position. Blah, blah. My stance for this off-season was trade back from #6, swap with that team and secure a future first as a part of the trade, and some day 2 compensation this year. At this point, ride it out with Darnold, sign Cam, let them battle in camp, and use FA / the draft to solidify the roster. Then with our 1st, and the additional 1st from trading this year's #6 look to move up if needed to select a QB in 23'.

Real talk, he's just a bad QB, on a team that had a terrible offensive line most of the year. He has raw talent, but his flaws are too big and likely beyond repair.

This 100%....I'm past the denial phase of Rhule being here, now I have to hope / root for the best in spite of his presence. Same way I watched, and went to games in 21'; as a real true fan of my favorite team I will do so again.

7-9 (2019 - Rivera fired in DEC) / 5-11 (2020 - Rhule S1) / 5-11 (2021 - Rhule S2 the 1000% season) So not 3 years in a row, but I get the sentiment; we've been worse under Rhule.

Will it matter, they were in the same boat a few years ago after paying Goff, they navigated that, and re-assembled a team that is about to make it's 2nd SB appearance in what 3 seasons (2018) and they're doing it with a different QB at that in his first year with the team, see TB as the most recent, and even Manning in DEN of just placing a top 10 caliber QB on a ready made roster. Rodgers, and Russell are likely the next candidates to pull this type of move, and while Watson may try / be available, I doubt they send him to a ready made destination, even if he can waive a no trade, they can just opt to set him out. So the question then becomes who's more patient, him, or HOU.

The real question is how does this keep happening across the NFL, it's not just a Panther's problem...

Gimme Willis in a trade back where we're able to add him and OL on Day 2. I need to see those picks back in the 2nd and 3rd, we have too many holes to just select at #6, then wait until the 4th.

Batted passes typically occur on short drops and interior pressure, something we featured a good bit of this past season, under Rivera I do not recall ''a lot'' of tipped passes at the OL.

Damn, some of y'all don't like anything sheesh. As it stands I'm not blaming Fitterer, or Samir on last season; I think they are partially the reason we had some of the success we did, navigating the COVID stricken cap, and making the most of available assets. Some of the contract structures are what allowed us to add the pieces that we did. Erving and Elf take a lot of poo and rightfully so, but their contracts are not necessarily hampering, or of hindrance to the cap if we move away from them. Fox, Jones, and Bouye were positive additions to the defense; not to mention we got Reddick for 6M via some ''voidable'' year(s) magic. I am at the least interested to see where this front office goes, as I think Rhule is gone by mid-season, I don't expect us to make any real noise even if we have a solid start which I also doubt.

Anyone that thinks paying what Jimmy G would want on TOP of having to TRADE additional assets for his is out of their minds. Because his 'dead cap hit' is 1.4M, meaning SF is in the driver's seat. Jimmy G is more name than QB - the run game and defense carried them on the SB run, and this past weekend special teams won the day, their offense didn't even score. It was a blocked punt I think for a scoop and score and a late FG for the win. Jimmy didn't play a huge role, and similar to the DAL game threw another INT. This Jimmy G talk is not it, we also don't have nearly the defense, or run game they have had in his best year with them. Darnold is here outside a miracle, and we're not getting Wilson, or Watson, or Rodgers. Any other veteran is likely only a back up viable option. But why pay for that since PJ is much cheaper. Cam is likely the only player we could sign as his market is likely going to be extremely thin unless he just opts not to play.

If you're a professional kicker and don't get the call, why would you not run to the sideline? I can't imagine delay of game on a kickoff is more than just backing up 5 yards; however to be fair I don't know the exact rule for that. There's too many people on the staff not to be able to address that in some form or another.

At this point this is where we are, there is not other viable option, taking a rookie at #6 for what could be a lame duck coach isn't smart. Rhule made the bed, he has to sleep in it at this point. Let me add that I absolutely hate all of this, my remaining hope is that we suck ala the Jimmy Clausen year and luck our way into Bryce, or C.J. while hiring an actual NFL caliber HC. Cam to me is the ONLY other option if you're trying to win some games finally giving him a FULL off-season to actually KNOW the offense, let him and Sam compete in camp, I'm just so annoyed they guaranteed his 5th year at 18.8M what kind of lunacy (and I felt that way when I saw the ticker during the draft after Jaycee was selected) is this. He hasn't played a down, has three bad years of tape and we're locking him in; for f*** sakes. That right there told me all I needed to know, Rhule drove the ship on that trade, and the ship on getting rid of Perryman, I don't hate the Arnold for Henderson / pick swaps, and we got Gilmore for a flier late pick.

TE is a while because that position was not emphasized under Brady imo. Hopefully that changes.

Last week I wrote a bout the offense, this week it only seems fair to take a look at the roster and players under contract as of ''today''; to determine how I / you feel about that side of the ball and where things stand. I'd like to start out by saying overall the defense IMO held us down in a lot of games, and ANY level of competence from the offense primarily while Sam was QB (I can't blame Cam coming in mid-season, and not knowing the PB, no off-season, etc.) could have seen us look less like a complete disaster. DL - Derrick Brown, Morgan Fox, Gross-Matos -- I think the 3 DL fronts exposed our lack of size in base personnel at times versus the more power run centric teams. However each of these three, two of which being 2nd year guys (Brown / Matos) showed some growth even if there were some growing pains at times. Fox I think is worth keeping around for the rotation, but he seemed to taper off after a hot start. However that was an affect on the defense as a whole as I think the guys up front were morn out as we approached the end of games. EDGE - Burns, that's it, Reddick is the only other person that would make this list but he's an UFA. We HAVE no perimeter depth at the OLB spot as far as pass rushers go. I am fairly concerned about this unit as we move forward if we are not able to retain Reddick's services. Since we adopted more 3 man fronts, I do not include Gross-Matos in this category as he is more of a traditional 4-3 DE vs a stand up guy. Off Ball LB - Shaq, once again that's it, Carter Jr. is serviceable at best, and doesn't seem to have star upside. Shaq is about to count as a $18.2M cap hit this coming season (rounded up - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/). While Shaq had a hell of a season and finally lived up to his selection status, that is an absurd number for that position. I fully expect to see a restructure of some sort as cutting him would still be 12M in dead cap which would free up 6M in space, so with not depth, and no ''significant'' savings we need to add to this position as well. Cornerback - Horn, Abouye, & Henderson; quite honestly this would still be one of the better secondary's we have had overall in the past several years. Horn looked the part of a true #1, allowing a guy like Henderson to match the 2nd or 3rd WR in a rotation with Abouye. STO III, and Pride off IR have potential, but not enough to say I'm okay not retaining Jackson, or Gilmore. Safety - Chinn, and I say that with a bit of an asterisk, of any player added I think he's had the most on his plate. Played out of position as a rookie due to ''necessity'' and again to a bit of a lesser degree did so again as the ''free'' safety. IMO he's a better fit as a flex piece, and shouldn't be tied to any particular spot, however in order to maximize his potential we have got to get some legit talent to man the single high position so that he is free to play man on TE's, or offer additional run support in the box. Temple guys like Franklin, and Chandler are PS guys, and Robinson has been limited to flashes in spot duty. ________________________________________________________________ All things considered, I think we have our hands full heading into this off-season, as things stand I think we have a ''C'' level defense, and it could be as high as a B, or B+ depending on what we are able to do in regard to our own re-signings, free agency, and the draft. I think there are way more holes on the defense than people realize, and finding enough allocation to improve both sides will be a challenge. This is why personally I think the part of the solution is to trade back 1-2 times in the 1st round as we would do ourselves a service to accumulate a future 1st, and day 2 picks (trading down from 6), and secondly additional day 2 picks via a potential second trade down in the first. If we had at least a 2nd, I'd be all over BPA at #6, I just don't think we have that luxury, and with a non-starter quality QB on the roster, and the 18.8M we owe him taking BPA there at any position doesn't matter because we have IMO a lame duck coach in Rhule barring a miracle, and we need to start prepping this roster for 2023. To me that's the reality of it all. It has been gross mismanagement of assets, and a lack of common sense at the top (Tepper and Rhule).