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Go check the grades. He had some plays that stood out, but he'd been the 2nd best OL behind Moton.

Paradis had been playing well pretty much all year, Elfein struggled early at G, he's a natural C. The interior pressure was primarily John Miller and whoever played LG when Elf was hurt. Who'd have thought our third string LT would look better than our starting RG. QB play is also a factor as far as getting the ball out.

He said the same poo before Cam was released.

CLE traded for Brock Osweiler from HOU so that HOU could dump the salary. It can be done.

You could maybe say that, but the defense has been playing lights out, and aside from Cam who's a player that he praised then we moved on from that moves the needle? Dan Arnold? I'm not a fan of his persona, but he seems to know football, and has turned a sieve of a defense around in 1 year and has a guy like Shaq playing to his maximum potential. His failings were IMO his ego in thinking that you can ''coach up NFL franchise QB's'' -- You can't you either have a guy with the ability to do so or you don't. Typically those guys are drafted, and not castoffs, or back ups for the past three years.

Sheena Quick the Charlotte beat reporter and I suppose a personal acquaintance. That's why I wonder if it was real for a screen shot of a text convo to be out there with that kind of information tied to it.

I was never in support of trading / releasing Cam, he had 1yr, and 19M left -- so we go out and sign Teddy for 3y / 60M. I was never in support of trading Teddy, and trading a 2, 4, and 6 for Darnold. Yet we did, and then when Fields FELL INTO OUR LAP, they turned their noses up, drafted Horn who I think was showing to be an excellent corner prior to injury. Then they activated Sam's 5th year option by the time the Broncos picked at #9. Then they did not even bother to sign a viable back veteran up QB. Whoever was responsible for those series of decisions simply DOES NOT understand the NFL and the QB position (IMO this was Matt Rhule as two years in a row poo QB decisions were made, and he was the constant). Hurney was the 1st sacrifice, and IMO Fitterer was here to short a time to make a ''Franchise QB level decision'' and deferred to Rhule's preference and facilitated a trade, as in the Panthers Draft Room videos it alluded to Tepper wanting Fields. I wil also give Fitterer credit for his draft day trades and helping us cover the loss of those picks preemptively as we added 11 rookies in 2020. Do people come to see a guy like CMC, Burns, etc? Yes. BUT none of that matters as there is NO BIGGER draw in the NFL than a franchise QB, they allow you to: 1) Win games regularly 2) They put butts in seats Teddy, and Sam accomplish neither of those things, and had no NFL tape to back up their ''potential'' to do so. I put the blame at Rhules feet, and while I think in other personnel areas we've made strides, he needs to stay away from QB decisions.

This is so crazy!

If there is a QB there that you like you take the QB -- We were set up so PERFECT this past off-season, two top QB's fall to us at #8, we could have the rookie and Darnold compete and let the best man win as AT THE TIME, Darnold was only 4M on the books, and a rookie would come with a 4 year deal & 5th year option. So even if Darnold won the job in camp, the rookie would be there to learn / develop and be ready to start in 2022. Instead, we paid Darnold 18M+ and are in a position where we will need to pony up to either trade for a QB (Watson), or trade up via the draft.

They understand assignment, this is a maintain the draft position signing. This OL is shot, and lost TWO STARTERS to IR. We're going nowhere.

I'll give you QB, but how could the OL be better if there were no better options in FA?

Name better FA acquisitions that were had at the OL position this offseason, people have already done the work the OL FA market in the ''affordable'' range was not good AT ALL. I'm not giving a pass on the QB's see the 1st paragraph, as far as the OL they signed who was available in a week free agency. People expecting some magical turn around after the way things ended with Rivera, Luke retiring, Olsen being released followed by Cam are disillusioned. It took them ONE year to fix the defense, and only Burns / Jackson are the real carry overs from Rivera / Hurney. We're halfway into year two, it hasn't even BEEN two years yet. I'm not a Rhule apologizer, but I can acknowledge the good / bad and remain objective / realistic. Their history projects to have this team in respectable shape heading into year 3. In my opinion they tried to skip / accelerate the QB development pieces by choosing younger, yet worse options than Cam.

Darnold looks worse each week, therefore the team does. I don't see how any intelligent person can look at the assembled roster and say this is not a good roster. QB / OL aside, this is a very good roster, and even the OL had 2 of the 5 spots settled until Paradis went down. They tired to address OL via trade no one was interested, if you go back and look there weren't many better options on the market over Erving / Elf. Then they opted not to reach in the draft and took a sure thing in Horn. I think they failed with the BLIND LOYALTY to Sam as they tried to create a PRESSURE free environment, but the QB is the player with the MOST pressure to succeed, so if he can't handle in house expectations, how could he handle them on gameday. Since then we have seen the result.

I mean what did you honestly expect in a year and a half? Even ARI with Murray, if you want to look at CLE and Baker etc. all took 2-3 seasons, and we are even worse off at QB...

I think you can resolve that with making a move at QB, keep in mind Reddick signed here KNOWING Darnold's NFL history as did everyone else. As long as the staff doesn't QUADRUPLE down on Darnold we will be moving on and building a better offense; whether it's via draft / trade / free agency. Reddick is playing off of Brian, and last year played off of Jones, I don't see him as a primary guy, but he is excellent in his role and I think we will be compensating him as such with a good contract.

I want to start off by saying Rhule has screwed the pooch multiple times on the quarterback decisions. Cam >> Teddy >> Darnold >> Passing on Fields, or even Jones. Each decision has been a lesson in regression, we went from a recently injured former NFL MVP, to a former end of the 1st round pick turned back up due to injury, to a former #3 overall bust. The Teddy decision wasn't as bad as it just involved money, the Darnold decision is 2x as poor as it tied up 3 picks, and nearly 20M in guaranteed salary. To be fair we recouped most of those picks as we brought in 11 rookies, and the missing 3rd is tied to CJ Henderson, a piece that gives us some flexibility when making cornerback extension decisions (Gilmore, & Jackson). Ok, that QB piece may not have helped with the ledge stepping so look at this: In the 2020 season we had early on what looked like one of the worst defenses in the NFL, I think most would agree around the 3/4 mark of the season (around the GB game) you saw the young defense start to take shape after an unprecedented draft where we took nothing but defensive players. Fast forward to 2021 with that class supplanted by key FA acquisitions / time to grow we have one of the better defenses in the NFL on paper and in the stat sheets. Now currently in 2021, we are a laughing stock at the Quarterback position, and our OL is in shambles. However; a few things, we still have 7 picks, and we have the cap to not only retain our pending FA's but we have some cap available to attack OL in free agency. I fully anticipate to see 4-6 new OL heading into the 2022 season added via FA / draft. Quarterback is a bigger question, I think we end up with a veteran, I do not think Sam makes it after this season ends, he will get his 18.8M, or maybe there's some loophole to split the dead money that Sumir can find. I can't see a team pulling a DEN and actually trading anything for Sam, I'd be surprised if he signed anywhere once released. He's just a bad NFL QB. Maybe we try for Watson again, as the skill positions on offense are in place, and the defense is set up, and cap space of 90M+ is available to address the OL if we swing for the fences on him (legal matters pending). The point is, even though he's failed at addressing the QB / OL -- the defense was turned around overnight, I think a similar makeover is coming for the OL / QB. I mean as BAD as Sam is, we eeked out 4 wins, and I think if we're honest, we all know if T2G was still here, or hell even Cam we're probably a 6-3 team versus 4-5. Stay patient, and #KeepPounding I don't think we're that far off from being a playoff contending team.

The Rhule / Hurney and the Rhule / Fitterer drafts both look to be promising classes. Don't let the frustration misguide you. Right now we're all pissed because: 1) Darnold is horrible 2) The OL is in bad shape If you look at how they attacked the defensive shortcomings, I'm inclined to believe the offense will receive similar attention as we have the cap space to do so. Rookies on the OL are also hit or miss, I'd rather see us spend some on proven veteran acquisitions / supplement the depth with a couple of draft picks so they can develop.

Nah, we need them morale W's.

This, its my team, gonna be my team, through Clausen and now through this. But it may be off the DVR

Bets are off, hit Mac low and often fug that poo