CPantherKing

You want bigger? 3rd round... LSU transfer - 2019 national champion. Put this guy next to him as a 3-4 DE if he falls in the 1st round... Brown - Ika - Carter would be tough for any 5 man OL to block. LBs would be free to roam. If you want to go heavy defense in the draft, could get Carter, Sewell, Ika, and Campbell. Move Shaq to SS and leave Chinn at FS. The combination of Brown, Ika, Carter, Sewell, and Campbell attacking the middle would solve most if not all of the inside running game issue. That would leave Burns and Luvu to aggressively attack the outside and Shaq and Chinn to play inside out going downhill unblocked as the last line of defense against the run.

Drafting a 1st round QB in the first year is extremely risky for a coaching staff. Better luck having that 1st round QB win a SB with the next HC. Just as much success drafting a QB in later rounds by a 1st year HC with much less risk. There have been 8 1st round QBs who have won the SB for the coach/team that drafted them. Only 4 of 35 SB winning coaches have drafted their QB in the 1st round in their first season. Ewbank drafted Namath in his 3rd season. Noll drafted Bradshaw in his 2nd season. Reid drafted Mahomes in his 5th season, and Cowher drafted Roethlisberger in his 13th season. They all started building their team before inserting their QB. Johnson, Coughlin, Ditka, and Harbaugh drafted their SB QBs in the 1st round from the start. Jimmy Johnson drafted 2 QBs with a #1 pick in 1989. Both #1 QBs battled it out for 2 seasons before Johnson decided to trade one of them to the Saints. McMahon and Flacco had short careers and 1 SB championship with their teams while Aikman and Manning went on to retire with their teams with multiple SB rings. Now, the 2 most successful first year coach/QB combos came from non-first round picks. Bill Walsh with Joe Montana, and Bill Belichick with Tom Brady. Montana and Brady have Aikman and Manning beat. It is difficult to have a HC succeed with a QB they drafted in their 1st season. Only 6 HCs have made it. 29 HCs succeeded by building their team and not focusing on the QB position in 1st round of the draft to build their SB champion. This also shows us again there is no difference in success between drafting a 1st round QB or a later round QB. If anything it favors later round QBs with Montana and Brady.

Staley will likely hold down the RBs, and Reich is about wearing down a defense with bigger skill position players that have good hands in the passing game. RBs get as many targets as the TEs. Seems Thomas Brown was hired because he understands the TE position and how Reich wants to get the most out of the TEs in the offensive play calling. Expecting an overhaul of the TE position. Maybe a trade for Jelani Woods. Good possibility of seeing 2 TEs drafted. TEs will have size, speed, and good hands. Makes me wonder how well Thomas Brown knows Darnell Washington - possible 2nd round TE target given what Reich likes in his receivers.

This false narrative is a Huddle myth. There were a group of players that decided to play/stick together through the rebuild (2010/2011) because they wanted to end their careers together. They were a package deal and it was well known the two Utes (team SB leaders) were at the head of this group. Gettleman became the wedge that destroyed all of this with his incompetent ways. He single handidly lost Gross, Smith, and Wharton after a playoff year because he only wanted Gross at a contract below his value. The myth squad will run with Proelh's interview, but all that pointed out was there were some (not all) in the coaching and front office that believed Smith would stunt the growth of the young receivers and Cam. Smith believed young players earn their C patch. Others wanted to push Cam into a C patch regardless of what current captains like Smith and Gross thought. How did that turn out without Smith around? KB never had the leadership or motivation he needed. The leadership he later he wish he had. The same leadership that Lafell showered praise on Smith as Lafell made his way through the NFL. Funchess found his way out the door quickly without a SB role model. Philly brown was here and gone. Smith would have done nothing to make their careers any shorter. The mistake was JR not promoting an innovative GM like Beane instead of going after an old school mindset in Gettleman who believed windows of opportunity did not exist in the NFL. No doubt in my mind Beane would have had Smith, Gross, and Wharton playing for at least 2 more seasons before all retiring a Panther. He would have had Steve Smith Sr, Kelvin Benjamin, Stefon Diggs, Ted Ginn Jr, and Philly Brown as the 2015 receivers. I really wish Gettleman would have listened to Beane over Rivera when it came to trading up for Funchess over getting Diggs later in the draft (Gettleman loved those big receivers over the small ones). Smith would have protected them from Cam while demanding more from all of them alongside Ted Ginn. I believe Benjamin and Diggs would have benefited greatly from this with Diggs instantly connecting with Smith prior to his retirement as a Panther. Cam was always the uberAlpha and would have done it his way and challeneged coaches and captains no matter what. Just needed players like Norman and Smith to challenge Cam and keep him in check instead of having Rivera waste time babysitting his outbursts leading to reprimand/punishment. The OL with Gross - Norwell - Kalil - Turner - Wharton would have had better protection on Cam. This in my opinion would have been the difference between a SB Champion exit as Panthers for Gross, Smith, and Wharton and prolonged success for the franchise. We will never know because obviously the wrong choices were made under Gettleman/Richardson and then Rhule/Tepper. BTW, if Cam Newton couldn't develop among players like Smith and Diggs, do you think Beane would have not traded his MVP ego for picks in 2017 or 2018 while walking away with a Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen from those drafts?

You are correct. You have to go back to the Gross retirement and the multiple meetings Gross had with Gettleman before he made the decision to retire. Gross was there for his teammates. Wharton and Smith were always part of Gross taking less for one last SB push. Gettleman did not commit to keeping them all on - just Gross for a lower paying contract. This got back to Smith. Then Gettleman opened his mouth at the scouting combine with his view that Smith HAD a great career, was not part of the start of Gettleman's process, and would not be in Carolina forever. Smith felt disrespected for having to hear about Gettleman's thoughts from players who were at the front of Gettleman's process. The Gross retirement sealed Smith wanting to leave and asking to be released. They were always a package deal, and I think Gettleman completely missed that dynamic. Would have been nice to have Smith, Wharton and Gross for that SB push, but Gettleman had a knack for messing things up as a GM. He was either very manipulative and destructive, or he was incompetent and clumsy. This eventually sealed his fate as a short lived GM who tore down a team and failed while riding on the success that was left at his feet.

Bijan Robinson is not a Reich/Staley RB They want a 230 pound RB who easily is hidden behind the OL squats 800+ lbs, runs a 4.4 and catches 80% of his targets in stride. The RBs in the 2023 draft that match a Reich/Staley RB are Zach Charbonet and Raschon Johnson. Taller than they like, but they are receiving threats, physical, and make defenders miss. Abanikanda would be the top Reich/Staley RB if he puts 5 to 10 lbs of weight on and runs a 40 in the 4.4 range. Abanikanda appears to play faster in game than his 4.5 40 time. You will notice they want offensive skill position players that will physically wear down their one on one matchups in the passing game.

Great and interesting get. Caldwell comes for one of two reasons. One, to be a HC that can get a QB he wants to develop or, two, reunite with coaches he wants to succeed with the promise of developing QBs he has had his eye on. With this hire, I believe the Panthers will make a move to trade for the QB Caldwell wants to work with - Justin Fields. A Fields trade would make it clear to me that the OC position is being held for John DeFilippo. He would have direct ties to Reich, Caldwell, Staley, McCown, Fields, and Foles. Jim Caldwell wanted to take over for Nagy and become the HC of the Bears for the 2022 season. Next we will see Ron Turner, Clyde Christensen, and Tom Moore walking through the doors. It's a reunion!!!

Reich will keep Thomas and Ricci before Tremble. Reich wants TEs with a high catch % and a big body to box out defenders. Tremble is not a Reich TE. Good thing this draft is loaded with TEs. I expect Reich to keep Thomas and draft 2 more big pass catching TEs. Same with receivers. He wants tall big bodies with speed. It wouldn't surprise me to see him draft Quentin Johnston WR at #9 and Musgrave/Mayer/Washington in round 2 if they fall. Trading for Jelani Woods is also a move I can see Reich wanting to do.

The sexy next year QB who is likely to struggle and bust in the NFL is for college fans. 1st round QBs worth drafting are about 3 a decade, and that is for 32 NFL teams. Find a championship proven coach. Invest in a QB of his choice (regardless of round) for at least 2 seasons (want a QB who projects at least 10 years and is no younger than 25). 85% of these QBs will get a team to the playoffs. Stack that QB with 7 targets he likes to throw to in clutch situations. Drill the offense on scripted opening drives and 4/2/1 minute drives. That is all that is needed for offensive point scoring. Refining the QB position with championship qualities will take you from a consistent playoff team to a contender. Thankfully championship qualities are not highly valued among scouts, the combine, GMs, and the draft. You can find these championship QBs from the 1st to the 7th round. There are even championship quality QBs who go undrafted and play in other leagues. Josh McCown even said that he learned more and developed more playing with the Hartford Colonials than he ever did sitting on an NFL roster. The NFL tried to pull him away from the Colonials and he chose to stay with Dave Ragone (now Falcons OC) and follow his coaching mentor/advisor John DeFilippo (Reich's QB coach with SB winning Eagles/Now HC of New Orleans Breakers) advice.

Steichen is using Mike Shula's 2015 playbook.

No Lamar. Let him bury another team. If you didn't want Cam after his 7th season, why do you want Lamar to build around for his 6th and 7th season as he is ending his career. QBs that play this style of game you draft and use up like a RB. 7 to 9 year career as the hits take their toll.

TOP 6 under 27 in the NFL are: 1. Brock Purdy 2. Desmond Ridder 3. Justin Herbert 4. Josh Allen 5. Joe Burrow 6. Tyler Huntley

And then you realize in 2017 the 2022 lowest ranked #16 Chiefs D would be ranked top 10 next to the highest ranked #4 Eagles D. Rankings and points scored is relative to the field - not to seasons. Rank every team together over the past 7 seasons, then we'll talk. The defense that gets a top NFL offense to make the most mistakes wins. The offensive game has changed, but the better defense still wins . We'd be having 60 and 70 point games if offense won championships. This isn't college. Turnovers, pressures, QB ToP, and field position are more important to me than yards and fractions of points. Give me a defense that averages 3 scores or fewer per game and an offense that averages 4 scores or more per game. Rankings don't matter. One year they will be top 10 and the next they will be middle of the pack. Let's remember the Chiefs don't win the SB without a defensive TD and the defense flipping the field with a 3 and out in the 4th quarter to set up the offense. Awarding the offense for those defensive points?

Live in the past? Andy Reid has been to the past 3 of 4 SBs. He has contended for SBs with the Eagles and Chiefs before Mahomes. He learned from Mike Holmgren who went to SBs with the Packers and Seahawks with a 2nd and 6th round QB in Brett Favre and Matt Hasselbeck. Holmgren learned from Walsh who created a dynasty with a 3rd round QB in Montana while making other QBs playoff contenders as well in Dan Fouts and Ken Anderson. Walsh learned from Paul Brown who won championships before the SB was ever an event with a QB by the name of Otto Graham. This is still done the same way as the past. And you always need a good defense that creates turnovers and pressure the QB to even stand a chance. No HC or QB will win it all for a team without a good defense.

So much for player safety

The Eagles defense in the 4th quarter is Chuck Cecil approved

Spearing allowed now? lol

When will you realize the likely OC is John DeFilippo? Just need to wait for him to finish up his current contract. He's currently coaching/developing young players on Reich's offensive system. They will be coming to camp with several months of training.

Lamar Jackson trade is not going to happen with Reich as the HC. Active QBs I have wanted to draft are Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Derek Carr, Patrick Mahomes, Aqeel Glass, Desmond Ridder, Brock Purdy, and Jack Coan. Derek Carr, Nick Foles, Aqeel Glass, and Jack Coan are likely available. I didn't have Jimmy G on my list of QBs to draft, but I believe he is one of the best championship potential QBs available. Seems I have the same eye for QBs that Reich and company have. Reich and his #2 DeFilippo agree with me. You all can continue to disagree. Reich has tried to trade for Carr and Jimmy G multiple seasons before going with Rivers, Wentz, and Ryan. Reich wanted Foles, but couldn't pull him away from DeFilippo while he was coaching in the NFL. Reich brought Coan in to camp with the Colts and was interested in developing him. DeFilippo has invested himself into developing Glass before he returns to the NFL. Frank Reich has Jacob Eason and Jack Coan at the top of his list as developmental QBs. If Reich gets DeFilippo to team back up with him, Staley, and DeFilippo's protege McCown, he brings along with him his developmental QB Glass. Obviously, they would pull Foles along for the ride if the Colts release him. Then there is Fitterer/Morgan's favorite project QB Davis Cheek who just happened to find his way to develop under Reich/DeFillipo's offense as Glass' backup. If the Panthers can't get Carr or Jimmy G, you should expect Eason, Coan, Glass, and Cheek battling it out in camp with 2 winning a roster spot, 1 finding his way to the practice squad, and Foles coming in as the vet QB. I expect Reich to go for Quentin Johnston and Darnell Washington to start the draft.

I was willing to part ways with Burns last season by trading him and getting value plus drafting James Houston to replace him. I have yet to see a replacement available for Burns in this draft. I'm never willing to move a player that limits the team without replacing their impact for a lesser cost. Have to keep Burns for now. Panthers missed that window I pointed to last year.

Are there a lot of "IT gene" QBs that can't win in the NFL? Many of them come from big schools with great coaches and NFL talent surrounding them to make them look so good. Too many quality QBs without the IT factor who can win in the NFL get overshadowed or overlooked. It takes them winning multiple championships to get respect while these "IT gene" QBs get blown up and flame out. I measure these QBs. If I went with QBs I enjoyed watching, I'd miss often. This happens in the NFL. People over-sensationalize the draft, combine, Heisman QBs, and big school QBs. I'll give you the 1994 draft for starters. 9 QBs were drafted with 2 in the first round. That draft was deep in talent, but none of those QBs should have been drafted in the early rounds. There were 12 QBs that could win in the NFL. By your reasoning, this would have been false. You would have said that Jay Fiedler, Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Marvin Graves, and Jeff Brohm couldn't even make an NFL roster as they developed and succeeded in developmental leagues. All of them were able to play in the NFL and win. Heath Shuler couldn't even succeed in a developmental league. Dilfer was a 1st round disappointment. He should have been drafted in the 3rd round at best. No better than a Mark Rypien or Brad Johnson. This happens 2 to 3 drafts per decade. No troll. Reality. It was bad before but the 1st round QB overreach has gotten out of control in the past 15 seasons. As for drafts that produce very little in the 1st round, the 2021 draft continues to shape up to be that draft. Pederson could do more with Nick Foles than he can with Lawrence. The other 4 are all flaming out while racking up the most losses of any 1st round group. 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013 were 4 straight drafts with overrated 1st round QBs that wasted our time. 2011 had 4 QBs with only 1 worth drafting and he only lasted 8 seasons. 2007, 2006, 2002, and 2000 were all bust years for 1st round QBs. 1997, 1996, 1994, 1992, 1991, and 1990 were all bust years for 1st round QBs in the 90s. You can expect 4 to 6 drafts per decade to be loaded with 1st round busts at QB that will never amount to anything more than your average undrafted QB can accomplish. History has proven that this is reality. What isn't reality is thinking that not all 1st round QBs can bust from a single NFL draft, or thinking that 6th rounders to undrafted QBs in a single draft class can't be loaded with NFL starting level QBs who win more than #1 combine warrior picks.

2022 was not a weak QB class. You had several QBs that can start in the NFL and win from last year. The issue was there was no QB worth a 1st round pick last year and the top 5/6 were being overrated. Pickett, Ridder, Howell, Corral, Strong, Purdy, Thompson, Oladokun, Zappe, Kelley, Glass, Eleby, and Coan are capable of winning consistently at the NFL level. The 2022 draft class was deep in NFL talent, just not Manning/Stafford/Mahomes/Roethlisberger talent. The 2023 class does not have a single winner and 2 potential Blaine Gabbert/Baker Mayfield career backups. This draft class of QBs is like having Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Cade McNown and Akili Smith all going in the 1st round. There is no Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Donovan McNabb, or Daunte Culpepper to save the 2023 class. The same people who drooled over Baker Mayfield, Tim Couch, Josh Rosen, and Akili Smith are the same ones drooling over Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis, and Anthony RIchardson.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/usfl/a-conversation-with-usfl-vp-of-operations-daryl-johnston "A star QB to watch? Johnston claims — and I agree — that Breakers quarterback Aqeel Glass could be a star in this league. Glass, a 6-foot-5, 225-pound signal-caller, led Alabama A&M to its first-ever HBCU football national title in the spring of 2021 and its first SWAC title since 2006. "That was one of the guys that we were chasing all last season," Johnston said. "It was just a game of wait and see. And (USFL director of player personnel) Jim Popp never gave up on it and kept chasing him. And now that he's come over to our side, and he's going to be in New Orleans, I really think this could be something that gives him an opportunity like 50-plus of our guys had last year to get that invitation to that NFL training camp once our season’s over." [Daryl Johnston] I believe he knows football... maybe you don't

There are 32 starting QBs in the NFL (10 up for grabs) and 16 starting QBs in the XFL/USFL. 26 spots to show you deserve to be/have a shot at being an NFL franchise QB. There is only ONE head coach in the developmental leagues who has been an NFL OC, won a SB, developed NFL QBs (Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles, Kirk Cousins, Gardner Minshew, and Justin Fields). That coach is John Defilippo (Frank Reich's #2 with the Eagles SB team). He took 2022 off and chose to work with Donovan McNabb on developing Aqeel Glass (who he saw up close in workouts next to Justin Fields). Now, he has taken this USFL coaching position with an emphasis on bringing Aqeel Glass with him to develop. We will soon see this sought after QB coach developing this QB you choose to dismiss. When QB coaches like Clyde Christensen and John Defilippo want to develop a QB coming out of college, you should pay attention. We will see if Glass fails after a year of development under the NFLs best (SB champion coaches). Yes, I would take Glass over Levis, RIchardson, Young, Stroud, Mayfield, Darnold, Corral, and Walker. I value him at the same level as I value Desmond Ridder and Brock Purdy. Seems like SB champion coaches do too. Enough to take time off from the NFL, develop him in the offseason, take a HC job to bring him along for development, and I would believe he will be taking another NFL position after the USFL season. I expect he will want to bring the QB he has been developing with him. While most of you will be focused on the combine with Stroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson getting pitched by their agents in this weak QB draft, I will be watching a SB champion QB coach developing an actual QB he believes has championship potential.

Let them. These QBs are not worth 1st round picks.