SmokinwithWilly

If there's any type of league suspension he still would be.

Hard to really say what he is since he's never had a QB1. Cam hasn't been fully healthy in a long time.

If what that tweet says is true and there were witnesses waiting that weren't called, that's very disturbing. There's still 22 civil suits to be concluded. I always felt the criminal charges would be the hardest to prove if at all, simply because it's he said she said. I'm not going to crucify any of them because i don't know if they were telling the truth or not. If it comes out they were lying, then they absolutely deserve to be crucified. Pretend victims lying about assault make it much harder for real victims to get justice. My problem with Watson has been his pattern of behavior and decision making. Flying in "massage therapists" when there's any number of them available locally is very odd and makes you wonder why. At the same time though, you have to ask why would any woman fly that far just to give a "massage" and think it was going to be completely innocent. If I'm a multi millionaire star NFL qb, I have a camera in that room recording every session for just this reason. He hasn't been very smart with regards to any of this. My biggest issue overall has always been with the reports Tepper wanted Watson at any cost regardless of what he may have done without any of the process having played itself out. The message i was getting was football mattered more than 2 dozen potential victims. Having 3 women close to me victims of sexual assault, its not an accusation i take lightly and it's not one I just dismiss because it can be extremely hard to prove. Let the process play out. If he's cleared, trade for him if that's what you want to do. I don’t know if he's guilty or not but his pattern of behavior is cause for concern. He wanted out of a new contract because he wasn't happy with conditions that are nearly identical to ours. The cost Houston is asking is also extremely high for a disgruntled QB that wants out. 5 1st round picks (3 picks, 2 players) and 2nds is an obscene price tag for any player, much less one who could still be subject to NFL discipline. We could give up all those assets and end up with Darnold as our starter. Goodell will protect the shield, and if Watson and the NFL are getting tons of social media pressure, you can bet he's going on the exempt list. I don't care what his sexual proclivities are as long as it's between 2 consenting adults.

They got their franchise QB and then used their first round pick to take Chase, who was an integral part of leading that team to the SB. If they had spent 3 1sts to acquire Burrow, there would have been no Chase and no SB trip.

Michael Jackson actually was indicted on charges and stood trial though he was acquitted on all counts and he paid a 23m settlement in a separate civil trial to an accuser. The catholic church, which has no skin tone, has had many, many white priests commit deplorable acts for which they paid millions across multiple settlements. They're famous for it. Boy Scouts too. Massive class action suit. OJ is probably the most famous example of someone tried and acquitted criminally but still found liable during a civil trial. Who doesn't remember him in the back of a white Bronco with a line of cop cars following him on prime time TV. Race has nothing to do with what they were accused of doing. These 3 very famous examples just happen to have months of constant TV news coverage. If you want to instead use Sandusky, Weinstein, or any number of white sexual predators or criminally innocent/civilly guilty feel free, the point is still the same. The pattern of behavior is suspect and I wouldn't let my kids be alone with any of them, and you can be not guilty criminally, or not indicted in Watson's case, as still possibly found liable in a civil trial.

Tepper is going to be front row center giving those lovin' eyes.

He forced his way out of Houston after signing that extension. Just because he's under contract doesn't mean he will want to stay if things go badly.

Wonder if Ron is kicking himself for trading for Wentz

It also assumes he doesn't fly in any more massage therapists.

I'm honestly not worried about it. We aren't going anywhere with Rhay-Z as our HC. 1000%

Don't want him here. There's still 22 civil suits pending. I expect him to settle those to make them go away. I wouldn't let my kid go to Michael Jackson's house or be an alter boy for the Catholic church. Just because you didn't get convicted doesn't mean your innocent. OJ was found guilty civilly, innocent in criminal.

Just because you will do whatever it takes to win doesn't mean you have the ability to win. Teppers decisions so far don't really give that warm fuzzy feeling that everything is going to be alright.

Still better than Miller.

Actually think this is too cheap an offer. I think we should get more than a 16 and 51 for 6. The pot would have to be sweetened for me with a 3rd as well and a future 2023 pick. If we did drop though, my picks would be 16. Linderbaum 19. Penning or Raimann, or one of the top WR if they fall. I might possibly trade back mid 20s with this pick too to get an extra 2nd or 3rd, and take Zion Johnson mid 20s. 51. Chad Muma if he's still on the board.

Right now Tepper reminds me of the rich guy that paid the 10k buy in for the World Series of Poker because it looks so easy on TV.

I don't see any other team acting this desperate and desperation breeds opportunity. Other teams can be interested. No other team is likely willing to pay what we are. Houston knows this and isn't going to budge on the negotiations because they don't have to. We played our hand way to early.

How bad of a PR problem is it going to be if Watson settles 22 civil cases? Rice got 2 games the Goodell caved to public pressure. If he suspends him 10 games and the pressure starts piling on, how long do you think Watson gets then? Women are a large part of the NFL fanbase. Goodell will do what it takes to protect the league and if that means sacrificing Watson to protect billions in revenue, you can damn sure bet he won't hesitate.

We could have 1/3 of our cap space devoted to QBs and still be forced to start Darnold. Houston has made it clear there will be no guarantees of this trade because even its obvious they doubt if he will be available next year. If Watson settles the civil suits, how long does anyone think it will take for a suspension to come? The social media pressure on the NFL will be enormous to never let him play again. Does anyone seriously think Goodell is going to defend Watson over the NFL shield in a PR campaign? And if Watson does decide to go to court, how focused can he be with cameras and paparazzi following him 24/7 and all the other mud slinging that's going to occur in a highly publicized trial like this. Until it's resolved one way or another, this is a no win situation. It's not even really a no win. The Panthers will lose and lose big. But then again, that's what it's like having Rhule and Tepper in charge.

We're bidding against the Texans. That's what they want for a guy refusing to play for them 1 year after signing a 160 million dollar contract. Here's a better idea. We arent goimg to the playoffs with Watson. This team is not good enough and Rhule definitely isnt. Don't trade for Watson, let him ride the bench another year, get a LT this year in the draft, and wait for the Texans to be desperate to move him because of that 40m a year salary or they have to cut him. Next year, depending on the draft position, choose either a QB from that draft or then trade for Watson, who's legal situation should be much clearer and Houston is desperate to get rid of 40m a year on their salary cap for the next 4 years for a guy that's never going to step foot on the field for them again. Rhule's desperate attempt to hang on to his job and Tepper's desperate attempt to find a QB are not good reasons to gut the talent on this team. This is like Dan Snyders obsession with Dwayne Haskins only much much worse.

Joey Bosa, Justin Herbert, Penai Sewell, Brian Burns, and Horn for Deshaun Watson and his baggage. That's what we could potentially be giving up. Add in a 3rd rd comp, 2nd, 4th and 6th because that's what we've already given up for QBs that we're going to be the guy. And Watson didn't want to waive his no trade clause until there was nobody else interested. We are his last choice. Makes you wonder if he would even want to stay past his contract or just force his way out of that too.

Reddick was on a prove it deal. He's not staying. He played for a big contract and hes going to get it. Gilmore was a trade and it doesn't look like he's staying either. He's going to get paid too. Good FAs don't flock to bad teams unless they're overpaid. And in what world do you trade that much for a player and have to hope and pray he doesn't do some stupid poo again that ends up in more lawsuits and criminal investigations? Plus how do we know he will even want to stay after 2 or 3 4-5 win seasons under Rhule. You can't break the bank for a guy with this many question marks not even counting the current allegations and charges.

How would you move on to filling other holes? With 3rd and later picks? Or the plethora of free agents come to learn at the feet of the master Matt Fhule. Better get ready to renegotiate that contract for 75m a season in 3 years when he wants a new one or else he's leaving. That's if he's even allowed on the field because we all know what Roger Goodell says and what he does are to very different things when it comes to social media pressure. This trade will be worse than the Herschel Walker trade by a long shot.

Depending on the grand jury, 2 packs of smokes and 50 bucks commissary

We're going to trade Darnold too but we'll pay all his salary.

My thought as well. When he was finally able to have roster control it turned to shambles