SmokinwithWilly

If I had to answer right now who do I trust to lead us down the field with 2 minutes left needing 6, Bryce or Rico, the answer is Rico. To me, Bryce isn't that guy and that's a problem. That's why I think we're a QB away from competing. I don't get the same feeling seeing Bryce trot onto the field that I did when it was Jake or Cam.

Ikem Ekwonu: Sold - Question is, how much is he going to cost and how are we going to pay everyone. Bad idea to pay Moton this past off season with Icky's contract on the horizon and 2 huge guard contracts and Bryce's 5th year option needing to be decided. Tetairoa McMillan: Sold WR1. Easy peasy Xavier Legette: Not sold Some days his head is in the game, some not. Not the guy you trade up to get in the 1st with better WRs on the table. Bryce Young: maybe as a backup, but only if I'm desperate Maybe as a backup, but not where he wants to be and certainly not for 5th year money. He'd need to take a serious pay cut and I can't see that happening. He'd be at the bottom of my options RBs Don't pay big contracts to RBs Nic Scourton: Getting more sold Like what I've seen of him so far and hope he continues to develop Derrick Brown: See McMillan, Tetairoa Jaycee Horn: See Brown, Derrick Tre'von Moehrig: See Horn, Jaycee 2025 Draft Class: Sold so far Liking it so far, but really hard to tell if these guys would be starters on a good NFL team, or if they are because the Panthers have been ass for so long. Dave Canales: Not sold at all Not sold at all. Leadership council to determine if Rico needs to play. Give me a fugging break. You don't bench the guy averaging 8YPC. His offense is generic, anemic and lacks big play ability. If Bryce or Andy can't do that, then tell your GM you need another QB. Had the opportunity this off season and didn't do it. Ejiro Evero: Trying hard not to be sold It's been surprising but not a fan of playing 10 yards off when it's 4th and 3. Hard to be extremely critical when everything has been mortgaged to surround our franchise game manager JAG. Dan Morgan: Not even close to sold Good draft this year and that's about all I've got to say positive. The QB room is a disaster. Last year's draft, fugging horrendous. Dumping an insane amount of resources to surround a bottom of the barrel QB to be a game manager and then everyone bitches because our defense has no players. We are in a poo situation this offseason with our offense. Decision on Bryce's 5th year with yet another forgettable season, an overpaid offensive line that needs a true center and to sign our now expensive franchise LT, a backup QB that should have been put out to pasture 2 years ago, a less than ideal 2026 QB class, a bleh FA QB market, and several teams with QB needs. David Tepper: Please sell He's still involved as evidenced by him openly stating he walks through the building making his opinion widely known and Dalton being kept and keeping Bryce competition free and his job 100% safe.

Sorry, but the handling of the QB room this offseason was unforgivable. Dalton was pure ass last season. Anyone with any football IQ could see he was done. So signing him to a 2 year deal this offseason was insanity. Bryce was protected this year. What was done wasn't done in the best interest of the team. Now we're staring down the barrel of a 5th year option with a 3rd year QB that would already have been cut if he wasn't a 1st overall pick. We had options that could have been made. Morgan chose not to make them. Whether that was Tepper interfering, which is highly possible, or his genuine belief Bryce is the guy. Bringing back Plummer made no sense whatsoever, and showed a complete lack of interest or desire to do anything to improve the room. We can't even really judge DC, because neither Bryce or Dalton can run his style offense so there's no way to fairly judge if it's Bryce, DC, a combination, the supporting cast, etc. It's been a clusterfug. And we're winning games on the back of an implosion by Penix, a defense that's been much better than expected, and a 1 year RB playing out of his mind. This isn't sustainable long term. This was a good draft and we've got some pieces. But we also bungled the draft last year, signed 2 overpriced guards, extended Moton for 2 years unnecessarily at that point, especially when we need to sign Icky. This year's draft and FA doesn't make up for the comedy of errors IMO as a GM. We've dumped everything into surrounding Bryce and the results have been it's best to take the game out of his hands and put it in Rico's and the defense. 5 1st rounders, 2 2nds, 100m offensive line, top 10 RB contract for a QB and our offense struggles unless our fa RB who's playing for a contract is touching the ball. That's not success to me, it's epic failure because he knew it, ignored it, and now we're in an even worse spot because of it.

I can't think of another QB that's had to add 20 lbs to try and disguise their playing weight just for the combine. However the original point was that Bryce had nothing to do with where he was drafted. As you yourself pointed out, players do things like this all the time to affect where they are drafted. I was really just pointing out that it's not like he had zero input in the process.

He didnt fool me. I never bought into any of it. The fact that he put on 20 lbs to try and intentionally deceive something so trivial would have immediately removed him from my draft board. I always thought Bryce was a late day 2or day 3 pick at best.

Bryce measured in at 5'10.25" and 204 lbs at the combine. So the answer is yes. He fooled people.

Then if they aren't fooled, why do it? Because some of them undoubtedly could be. And ultimately, the person(s) making the decision was. He fooled Dave Tepper.

Actually, I dont ever recall another QB packing on 20 lbs of water weight to try and hide their actual playing weight because they knew their real playing weight could potentially hurt their chance of being drafted 1st overall. And Stroud actually said he didnt care about test results, watch him play football. We cared about a test and Bryce had the worst rookie season in NFL history. Stroud went to the playoffs.

Anyone ever solves the tush push and the Eagles are done. Or if the refs ever call a false start.

Not completely. Bryce heavily participated in the draft process. From packing on extra weight and hiding it under baggy clothes, to repeated practicing for the S2 test that miraculously is hyped beyond all recognition then never heard about again, while Stroud was trashed as an imbecile, and when his physical limitations were being called into question, he chose not to participate in combine drills. You could say it's not his fault where he was drafted, but I would disagree. I would say he certainly participated in getting himself drafted 1st overall and a larger guaranteed payday.

Big daddy Dave is locked in his office right now with his picture of Brady, his Bryce screen saver, a box of kleenex and hand lotion.

Matt Rhule is at home watching this offense laughing.

I can't believe it took a "leadership council" to actually play Rico.

Sounds familiar. Almost like Big Daddy Dave.

Ain't that the fuging truth.

What excuses. Everyone said Dalton was ass. Even if he broke his thumb he was still ass and should have been replaced last offseason.

People are sick and tired and mass incompetence. I could deal with it if this was just bad luck with injuries or a bust draft or 2. But it's been stupid move after stupid move, things so obvious members of a message board are screaming this is stupid. At this point, we're either cursed by some voodoo woman named Phyllis, or we have won the lottery of the most boneheaded owner ever and the Panthers are his island of misfit toys.

I get it. It's just hard to wrap your mind around that it's THAT bad and Morgan/Tepper didn't see any reason to bring in any QB competition this offseason.

A RB now has to have 60 yards a game to get 1000 yards on the season. It's not as hard to get to anymore but a lot of teams are also doing RBBC so there aren't as many bell cow backs any more.

How is that even fugging possible.

When's the next leadership council? Can't do anything until the next leadership council.

Can't really trade Moton either. His 2 year extension has a 21.5m signing bonus.

Chuba is running like a RB that just got a 2nd contract. Rico is running like a RB on a contract year. Rico is going to be the more aggressive of the 2 because he's trying to get paid. Contract year performances are what they are. Just don't be the team to pay a big contract based off a contract year.