SmokinwithWilly

It's not all of a sudden except in Carolina. All throughout the early part of his career there was a huge concern outside of Carolina that using him like a RB would end up sending him into the dreaded RB30 wall. Cam was also taking hundreds more hits during the early part of career than other QBs in the same time frame. Add in the head hunting the NFL allowed vs Denver in SB50 and the 16' opener. Cam has taken more punishment than any other QB I can ever remember. I'm in the PNW and it was pretty common discussion on talk radio out here that Ron and Co were complete idiots for using their franchise QB like that. It was also pretty common discussion that that is exactly how not to use your QB if you want him to have a long career. Carolina fans just ignored it because Cam was such a freakish athlete.

Vick was never used as a battering ram. Cam was. No HC ever really let their QB take the designed beating that Ron let Cam take. Cam got hurt on 2 fluke plays. One was landing wrong and the other was a nasty hit. The thing is using your QB as RB 2.0 increases the likelihood of having one of those hits. I don't remember which Bills game it was at the end of this year, but Allen was "tackled" by getting put into a split. That could have easily been a torn groin or something similar if he had turned wrong or his momentum had been going the other way.

People mention the Rams trade because that was the offer. That kind of offer is for an elite edge rusher. That's Mack, Miller, Bosas, Watts level edge rushers. Personally I don't have Burns as that elite level yet. Could he get there? Sure. Could he also not get there? Sure. But we need 1st round picks if we're serious about getting our guy. 1st round picks are used to get a franchise QB. If you want to go after Lamar, you're going to need 1sts to trade. If you have a specific QB you want, you need to be able to trade up to make sure you can draft him. Doesn't matter if anyone else thinks he'll be there at 9. You want him, you go get him. That takes draft picks. Moving to 1 would be a hell of a lot easier with 5 1st and 2nds over the next 3 years. To make that trade, you have to consider the quality of what those picks could end up being. Stafford and his elbow look done. Without a 1st this year or the next 2, do you really think Baker Mayfield is leading that team to a SB? The guy we cut is going to net us a late 20s or 30s pick in 24' and 25'? I think both of those picks end up being top 10 if the trade is made because I don't think Baker is that guy. So let's consider if we had made the trade and the Rams did make a SB winning run this year. If Burns is that elite, as you are claiming he is, that should have been a very reasonable outcome for the Rams this year. Then comes the bigger question of whether or not McVay decides to call it quits as a winner, Stafford and Donald both are done as 2x champs, and then Rams having no 1st round picks for the next 3 years. But since the trade didn't happen, you have to now consider the upcoming contract. Figure that we're probably going to overpay for Burns because that's just what we do. Growing cap space and considered an elite edge rusher because of what was offered for him, we could realistically end up paying him $22-$30m per year for 5 years. Reddick just signed a 3 year offer for $15m per year and has had the same level of production. Is it possible to that level of production for that salary figure that we are going to potentially pay Burns? It's very possible. I want a QB. We need a QB. I think trading Burns could have brought us closer to that goal. Remember at the time of the trade offer, our future HC was still unknown. So if I had the choice for what I believe are 2 top 10 future 1sts, a 2nd this year, and $25m per year in cap space or Brian Burns, I'm trading Burns because I believe those assets can get us a more important position than DE, and that's a franchise QB. And if an offer similar to that comes at us again this offseason, depending on who makes it, I'd be damn sure considering it.

Because it was a hail mary shot at another SB. Stafford, McVay, Donald, their futures are all in doubt. It's also yet to be seen if Kupp returns at the same level he was playing at, though there's no reason to think he won't. He's also due for a big payday. Burns could have given them the edge to get there. A Lombardi is worth more than 2 1sts and a 2nd any day of the week. It all depends on your perspective.

No more desperation to win now also lowers value.

Everyone agrees franchise QB is more important position than edge rusher. So if we offered Burns, who is a known commodity, for the 1st pick to take a franchise QB, and it's agreeable, then it should be a no brainer. The question really is, is Burns worth more than Stroud or Young?

Dom capers probably has more NFL experience by himself than Rhules entire staff after 2 years combined.

It wasn't just every QB. So many guys played worse under him. This is the first time I can recall going into an offseason and having almost no handle on the talent level of our team. Do we just not have the players? Was it the scheme? Was it just OOU BS permeating the building? Those must have been the most delicious meatballs ever.

7-10. The only record that matters. We beat a Detroit team bad against the run. I'd rather see Brady get humiliated by Dallas on wildcard weekend as his last game before retirement and screw TB draft position. Darnold. Meh. Still Darnold. I didn't like the McAdoo hire at the beginning of the season and the end of the season didn't change my mind. It was a pretty boring offense with little creativity and the most yards of the season was by Shenault running that fake over and over and over. Dude have to have logged 2k yards as a decoy.

BM is a pretty accurate description of his offense

Really depends on the quality of the wing sauce and the quality of the blue cheese. If it's that blue cheese with the nasty chemical taste, then yeah, it's gotta be ranch.

I don't know if Darnold could have ever been good. I do know that Adam Gase was bad and Matt Rhule made him look like SB Jimmy Johnson. If ever there was a tandem that could wreck a QBs development, it would be those two.

2 different eras of basketball. 2 different ways the game was played, different in the way its called, and different in the way teams are built. MJ changed the game. LeBron is playing on the foundation MJ built. Not taking anything away from Lebron's skills, but if I had to build a team around 1 or the other, I'd take MJ 10 out of 10. I'd take Kobe over LJ too.

Kind of where I'm at. Could Darnold possibly actually do something with someone who understands offense. I admit, it's really morbid curiosity at this point. I don't expect much though.

Your words. We only need a rookie QB and we are instantly a legit threat to win the NFC every year. I don't think we're that close. The teams we beat were terrible against the run. The ones that beat us weren't. We made Mitch Trubisky look like a franchise QB FFS. Any decent passing offense took the top off on our D. I understand you need a QB to be competitive. You also need an offensive line, offensive weapons, and a defense. We aren't as complete as you are making this team out to be. This team has holes, one of which is QB. And I hate to break it to you, a rookie QB isn't going to come in here and take this team to a Super Bowl or NFCS. We can take a shot on trading up and going after a QB. Doing so will cost us dearly. I don't want to see us give up 3 1st and 3 2nds, because I think that's what it's going to take to get to 1. If we can trade firsts and give up a possible 24 first to move up for a QB, fine. But mortgaging the next 3 years when we are not a playoff, much less over 500, team is a very Hurney thing to do, and I've already had enough of that poo. Twice.

I don't think we're years away. We've never had an offensive minded HC so seeing offense being the focal point isn't something we're used to.

I have higher standards than "winning" the NFCS at 7-10 and getting obliterated in the playoffs. But I'm one of those people that thinks a team ought to have a winning record just to get into the playoffs. I never said ignore the QB. I said we have more holes to fill than just a QB to be competitive. We've been to the SB twice, but this franchise has never been competitive on a regular basis. That's what I want to change. Cheering for a winning team once every 4 years on average just isn't going to cut it for me.

I don't give 2 shits about making the playoffs in a terrible conference. That's like winning the NIT tournament because you weren't good enough to get into the real one. I want to be competitive in the NFC. So yeah, we're going to need more than just a QB to deal with teams that actually have an offense and can stop the run.

There is quite the difference in being competitive and winning the NFCS right now. Making the playoffs with a losing record isn't something to cheer about. It's going to take more than a rookie QB to fix all the mess Rhule left in his wake. Not saying we don't need a QB, but that's definitely not all we need.

After watching the draft last year, the only thing I can say with certainty is Roger Goodell still sounds like a condescending asshole.

I'd immediately check to see if he has a business license, contractors license, insurance and anything else you would need to legitimately do whatever it is he's doing. I have a couple separate licenses outside of those I listed which is why I say that. If he's charging you T&M then demand a detailed breakdown in writing. If it's anything structural, electrical, or plumbing, I'd call in a licensed contractor just to verify it was done correctly. He's asking for Venmo so he doesn't have to report it. I'd be pretty comfortable saying this guy isn't licensed, bonded, or insured. You may end up in small claims court on this one. But where I am, if someone performs work over $1k without a state registered contractors license, you are only obligated to pay them $1k of whatever the bill is. This helps prevent some of these shady characters from setting up shop because the courts won't back them if they sue for non payment. For basic handyman type stuff, when I have free time to do it, I charge anywhere between $95 to $125 an hour plus material w/ markups. But I also bid jobs in entirety, not on an hourly basis. Any contractor worth a poo charging T&M has to provide a detailed invoice in order to get paid.

I've never really understood why. KR/PR is free field position. We have all seen what guys like Hester could do in the return game. An extra 6-8 yards on a return can mean the difference in a game, especially if it's coming down to a field goal.

Nebraska AD probably won't see employment again after he's fired for not being OOU.

I have this awful feeling it's going to be like listening to Rhule talk.

We've had Matt fuging Rhule. I'd be excited about an ape throwing his poo at a playbook on a wall.