SmokinwithWilly

We fired an OC that was never qualified to be OC to begin with. See the problem there. But I'm sure there's someone from Baylor or Temple we could have hired no problem.

So he had to be told to go out and give a qualified candidate for OC. Well damn. I bet every other NFL coach has to be told to hire someone who is actually qualified instead of all your buddies from college. This is common fuging sense and should have to be told to a coach entering his 3rd year in the NFL.

Since it was widely reported by multiple sources, I'd say a lot of people believe it.

He went and signed these coaches because he was told he had to or he was getting fired. That's not growth. That's saving your own ass.

Sorry. Matt Rhule has shown absolutely nothing to prove he is a capable NFL head coach.

Don't you dare wish that on my Wolverines. Send him to Ohio State.

I don't disagree with playing with pain, just saying that if it's uncomfortable, I get it. How will that end up for him, likely not well.

Soft tissue injuries are so iffy. It's just hard to trust it unless it feels new. I pulled a hammy that took 3 months to recover from, and about 95% healed I pulled it again. Not saying that's the case but I understand wanting it to feel perfect.

The job was always Baker's to lose, not win. You don't pursue 2 FA QBs if the answer is possibly on your roster. Does Baker have problems, sure. But he doesn't have Sam problems. If he has maturity or health issues that are problems before he steps foot on the field, well that's an issue for the FO that they should have handled before the trade, not after.

My thought pretty much. It's like he's searching through the playbook on Madden trying to find just the right play only to hit ask Madden anyway.

Everyone one this message board knew it when we were trying to trade for Watson and we damn sure knew it when we traded for Baker.

I'm out on the west coast and that isn't even remotely close to what they're saying. They're hoping Rhule continues as head coach because it's pretty much a gimme win. Carolina and Rhule are a laughing stock out here.

Hey it worked for the My Pillow guy really well didn't it. Any publicity is good for business.

There's good marketing and bad marketing. Making yourself look like a clown show is bad marketing.

This all really isn't about Corral and his ability at QB. It's about mismanagement of the QB position this year. When we traded for Baker, he became our number 1. Corral is our 3rd round pick so he's automatically #3. That leaves our 2 between SD and PJ. It really doesn't matter which because they are both the same QB and we are eating their salaries regardless. Pick one, cut the other, move on already. There's no reason for all these competition shenanigans. It's not fooling anyone. Developing your 3rd rd qb pick is more important than possible trading SD or PJ for a future 7th rd pick that's likely to never make the roster anyway.

Not at all. Guys melting down because the handling of the roster has been a clown show. Again.

It should have happened at the end of last season and I can't see it happening until at least 10 games are played OR we are being thoroughly embarrassed in our effort to become the first 0-17 franchise in NFL history. For now, Rhule is our HC until such time as he isn't.

We're not rooting for failure. Failure only accomplishes one thing hopefully, the firing of Matt Rhule. The way he's handled the team the past 2 years and now in TC this year leave anyone who pays attention scratching their heads wondering who the hell does Rhule think he's fooling. I'm not writing off the season because i believe we can still win games, but I've long since written off Rhule as a competent head coach.

When he does something worth getting excited over, I'll get excited. As long as he keeps making boneheaded moves, I'll keep saying he's not an NFL caliber coach and never has been. And there has been no shortage of them because I even when so far as to list 15 of them in another thread that the Huddle called moronic when they happened, and were right. I could have listed more, but it really didn't feel necessary to just keep piling on.

Actually I didn't have any delusions of grandeur for Corral. It wouldnt matter if you inserted Pickett, Howell, Zappe, Willis or any other QB that we traded up into the 3rd to acquire. My issue has always been how Matt Rhule has been incompetent, and that's being very generous, with regard to the QB position of this franchise since his arrival. Teddy was never a franchise QB. But we signed him to a ridiculous contract based on backup level performance only to eat his contract and trade him a year later. Then we bring in THE Sam Darnold barely watching any game tape on him. Trade a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for a QB no one else wanted. Didn't play him in preseason. A couple wins, barely against the Jets starting a rookie QB, barely against a mid round rookie qb in his first NFL game, and a win against NO missing half their coaching staff because of covid. Then he got to some real NFL competition and it all fell apart. Shocker. We will ignore the 5th year extension. PJ is PJ. He's here because of where he went to school. There's 20 other PJs out there. That's just the cold hard truth. So we bring in a busted Cam, start him with no preparation, and expect what? We continue losing. But Cam did bring some energy, so naturally we benched him for Darnold. Then there's Watson and that debacle. It's not like Sam didn't know he was out as starter. But then Watson didn't want us, thankfully, which caused a poo show in Cleveland causing friction so... Now we have Baker as our starter. Well, not officially because it's still a competition with a guy we tried to replace TWICE this off-season. And of course we still have PJ who brings, whatever he brings to Rhule to still be on the roster. And we have Corral. A QB we traded up into the 3rd to get. We need to develop him. We needed a plan that goes beyond this season. He needed the reps in preseason and camp because if he doesn't get them, it delays his development. Sam is gone after this season, and PJ likely was at the end of camp before Corral's injury. 2 guys who shouldn't be here at the beginning of next year. If Baker gets hurt, our season is done. Sam and PJ aren't taking you to a wild card or a division title. Redshirt him during the season if you feel the need. But when it mattered, for the future of his development and the only QB under contract beyond this season it was important to get more than 3 snaps in practice and some mental reps. Rhule is all about the win now mentality. It reeks of desperation because if he doesn't win, he's done. At least most other owners would fire him, maybe not Tepper. My biggest fear, and expectation, is we're going to be headed into next season with a new coach, new staff, no experience in our QB room, looking like an expansion team trying to figure out how to find a QB. I'm not saying playing Corral would have fixed all that and somehow made everything better and been our Russell Wilson. But it would have shown some forethought and planning for the future. But we don't do that here.

Sam Darnold is what he is. If he's our starting QB because Baker is injured the season is over anyway. Sam could run with 3rd string and it will produce the same result. A happy feet, 1 read QB that loves to throw the check down. No amount of starter or 2nd string reps is ever going to change that. We could very realistically now be going into the off-season with one QB on the roster that's been on IR all year. Zero knowledge in our QB room. That is asinine. This is about looking beyond this season. You have to do it. Even if Corral is only taking 2nd string snaps during pre-season, he needed reps. Sam could have been backup during the season with Corral taking reps as 3rd qb when available. We are on our 5th qb in 3 years. Unless we re-sign one of the 3 amigos, it will be 6. This coaching staff with the QB position is a fugging joke.

He's not a 3rd string QB. He's your 3rd rd QB put 4th on the depth chart behind Sam turnover machine Darnold and PJ camp fodder Walker. Sam is gone after this year. PJ should have been gone before training camp. Corral needed to be taking the number 2 reps instead of Darnold and damn sure ahead of PJ. We all knew when we traded for Baker, SD was out as starter. That makes him a backup and a pretty bad one at that. This whole QB competition charade is freaking pointless. PJ is here because of Rhule, plain and simple. He was signed the day after our season ended why? We're we so afraid we couldn't replace PJ that we had to sign him before another team could snatch him up? Everyone knew we were going to try and draft a QB. It was about a well kept secret as Hurney picking Will Grier a month before it happened. Either you wanted Corral to develop or not. He's the only QB on our roster under contract after this season. You gotta do something with him or you're going into season 4 of Rhay-Z with ZERO qbs with a single snap of NFL experience beyond "mental reps." It's so stupid it's laughable and if it was any other team other than the Panthers, we'd all be making fun of them for having this clown show.

I'm one of them for this reason. No need to go into this off-season if this is how he performed last year. We had nothing really to lose by seeing what he could or couldn't do. I just hate missed opportunities but it is what it is.

This is one of the reasons I wanted to play Brown last year. We could have saved ourselves a roster spot for someone who has the skill and desire to be here. We had nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain.

Cutting our 2023 3rd round pick in 2022 would be pretty epic.