grimesgoat

Waddle's comp is tyreke hill. Who wouldn't draft tyreke hill at 8 if given the chance? If Panthers want a weapon, my bet is the Panthers board looks like this: 1. Sewell 2. Pitts 3. Waddle 4. Chase 5, Slater

Let's assume 3 qbs go 1-3. I think that leaves Sewell, Slater, Surtain, Horn, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Fields, Parsons, and maybe Lance on the board. It would be silly with all of that talent on the board to lock in on 1 guy. Especially with the holes on our roster. I think the Panthers want to trade back, but not so far that they do not get one of these elite guys. I'd feel good about trading back to 9-12 I would still get an elite difference-making player, probably pick up an extra 2nd or a 2022 first. This gives me flexibility to move around and get whatever I didn't get in the 9-12 slot. Could even slip back into the late first if someone I really like is dropping.

My guess is the panthers were targeting Wilson. They explored opportunities to move up for Wilson with the Jets and Miami. If the Jets stuck with Darnold, Wilson could be had through the Miami pick. As soon as the Jets made it known they would consider offers for Darnold, the Panthers knew Wilson was gone to the Jets. No one else was worth moving up for based on their analysis. All things considered, I think the Panthers are on the right path. Roll the dice on a young, developing QB, tag Moton, sign some solid vets for the interior line, and hang on to 8 and 39. If we can land Pitts or Sewell at 8, we should see a much improved product. Assuming our defense gels quickly and we can add a little help at CB/S, we should be competitive in every game.

To me, adding Darnold really changes things. Also, we have a ton of decent guards now. I really don't see a need for a stud G with Miller, Eflein, Erving, Daley, Scott already on the roster. They may even try Little inside, although I think its more likely they cut him and save the 2m. We have a ton of defense front 7 as well. The openings on the roster are S/RB/CB/WR/TE. 1. Sewell or Slater 2. Grant S 3. Gowan Stokes, or Melifonwu CB 4. Darden WR 5. RB or WR 6. Yeboah TE 6. best S that falls.

Exactly. Denver could trade up with us if they want lance and are worried New England or WFT is offering a better package. They are worried about us trading down more than us taking their guy.

This took 5 minutes on google to find this so I stopped there. But since you asked, we were 38-42 in the 90s. Very average. Doesn’t really add much to the story but certainly doesn’t help your argument of us being among the worst.

Our record is 16th best over the last 10 years. Our record is 18th best over the last 20 years. Historically we are average. No amount of head in the sand is going to change that.

8, Fields (or Lance if Fields is gone) 39. Mayfield or Cosmi or Jenkins LT (one should be there) Then I'm wheeling and dealing. I'm turning 73, 113, 151 into a DT, S, and CB. I would prefer Richie Grant - S Alim McNeill - DT One of Melifonwu, Gowan, Adebo, or Rodarous WIlliams - CB 193 Yeboah TE 222 Very fast Slot Receiver 226 Hog Mollie

LOL, my money is on stbugs to check in soon with his usual.

Here's how it will shake out... 1. Jags - Lawrence 2. Jets - Wilson 3. SF - Jones 4. Atl - Parsons 5. Cinn - Sewell 6. Mia - Chase 7. Det - Waddle 8. Den - Fields 9. Car - Lance + Denver's 2nd.

Why the smokescreen - they pick 3? Why pretend your picking Jones then suddenly pick Fields? what's the point of the smoke? Who needs to be fooled? I think they plan to pick Jones, but Fields is a contingency in case something goes wrong last minute. If Mac jones tests positive for cocaine or has a serious accident before the draft, they will probably go with a different QB since there are no take-backs on their ridiculous trade.

Everyone acts like Lance is some finished product that everyone needs right away. He’s a developmental guy for a team that is not ready to compete. That’s us. He will fall to 8 and we’ll take him. TB will start next year, our new line and defense will gel. Lance will get reps in practice and get his feet wet with a drive or two in the games. if lance is somehow not there, we move back far enough to grab a future first, and pick best available LT and Corner in rounds 1-2. Then go get Wilson next year. the build is happening. A plan a and plan b is in place. Patience padawans.

that made me lol for some reason.

I'm excited about this. Can play G or C. Won the Rimmington. Wanted to draft him back in 2017. Exactly what we need.

I don't understand all of the angst. These moves provide flexibility. If we don't spend the additional space, we can roll it over to next year. Meanwhile, if Watson does become a possibility, we'll be able to fit him under our cap. Oh the humanity.

I suspect this is how it plays out. We're not competing this year with a rookie QB. We should trade back a couple of times and pick up some 2022 draft capital as well as some extra thirds. Get a T, C/G, TE, and CB. Coach them up. Then go all in for Watson next year when we have a decent team to support him.

yep - there were a number of failed last-minute drives for the win (or tie). What I was responding to was "1-score games". In those, he was 3-8. An optimist (me) might say 'we were still in the game despite the sub-optimal talent. Good for Teddy'. A pessimist would say 'we should have won those games - its all Teddy's fault', not considering there are 53 other players plus coaches on the field that can affect the outcome, I usually come down somewhat in the middle. Not sure what everyone was expecting. Not counting QBs still on their rookie contracts, I believe Teddy was the lowest paid starting QB in the league last year other than Cam.

He absolutely deserves some blame in a number of those games. But the 0-8 in 1-score games is simply not true. I'm sure you are capable of googling the results of our schedule and performing this simple analysis. He definitely won 3 games where the final score was a difference of 7 points or less. He was 3-8 in 1-score games - no getting around that. I'm an advocate for getting a better QB. But we should be historically honest with the facts.

i guess if you say it enough, it just becomes an alternative fact?

beat chargers 21-16 beat atl 23-16 beat WFT 20-13. Vegas: we gave it to Armah on 4th and 1 at the 46 with about a minute and a half left. game over. GB: Got the ball on the carolina 20 down 8 with 55 seconds and no TOs. KC: Got the ball on the carolina 9 with 1:26 and no TOs. Miss a long fg for win. Minn: Got the ball on carolina 13 with 0:43 and no TOs. Miss a 54 yarder for win. He definitely had some fails, yet we were in almost every game. Not bad for a team many thought would probably be the worst in the NFL. I want to be more than competitive like everyone else, but our defense was basically starting from scratch, CMC missed most of the year, and our offensive line was mediocre at best. Teddy is not the long-term answer - but he's not horrible.

He actually went 3-8 in one score games. And 2 of the 8 losses would have required 2-pt conversions just to get to OT. Also, Slye shanked a 54-yarder in 1 of the 8 losses. Teddy wasn't great - but no need to lie about stuff.

Let's show some patience. Whether Watson plays for us this year or not will not matter at all in the long run. Trade a 4th for stache. Let Minshew and Teddy battle it out. It will be a year-long drama for the whiny crowd. Then we trade back and accumulate picks. A future first and an extra 3rd. We grab at T, G/C, CB, and TE in rounds 1-3. WR and LB in the 5th. All of the sudden we look ok. Meanwhile Houston is exactly where they are today. With or without Watson playing, they will probably go 4-12 again. If Houston goes 4-12 again, they will have a nice pick for drafting a new QB. They will be ready to move on from the disgruntled Watson who is still demanding a trade. Teddy will be off the books and we'll be right there waiting for them with our 2 2022 firsts and whatever else they may need.

Kind of jazzed about this one... 19. Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 51. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma 81. Chazz Surratt LB North Carolina 90. Amari Rodgers WR Clemson 135. Robert Rochell CB Central Arkansas 142. Chuba Hubbard RB Oklahoma State 185. Robert Hainsey OG Notre Dame 2022 Washington 1st 2022 Minnesota 2nd 2022 Miami 5th

I agree. Wait for Fields or Lance to fall. Both are too raw for some win-now team to move up for them. Hell, Lance probably won't even play next year. If they are both gone, take one of the LTs. If both gone, that means we either get a difference maker TE, WR, or trade back for an extra second. Don't get in such a hurry. Continue to build. We'll be back in the top 10 next year and will be in better shape to move for our guy. Meanwhile explore Darnold, Trubisky, Minshew, etc. They are all young and could develop into something good. Offer a 2-year contract with an out after 1 year to see what happens. Meanwhile try to trade Teddy for a 3rd or 4th. Colts, WFT, NE all have tons of cap and may see Teddy as just what they need. He had his moments.