XClown1986

I agree it is between Richardson and Young. But why do you think that Stroud, specifically, wouldn't be Frank's choice?

The team needs a franchise QB. If the guy that they see as a franchise QB is Young, they can't pass on him because he isn't taller. They will have to get him with a nutritionist and an NFL trainer to build more mass, but that can be done.

Yeah I agree with that. If the coaching staff does a full evaluation and comes back with Richardson as the top prospect to draft, then ok. But to draft him because you were only left with him as an option would be more alarming.

Yeah, I see your point. And actually Daboll may be more responsible for Allen's development anyway. Norv at least pushed Cam to play differently, and he responded. That should have happened much earlier in his career.

I thought that was more true for Mike Shula, not Dorsey. But either way, Newton not having respect for his coaches should have triggered the staff to make changes. This would be a contributor to why we didn't sustain success, I'd say.

Trey Lance seems to be lacking the mental aspects. This should have been evaluated more by the 49ers.

That would feel more accurate if the fact that his quarterback coach from 2013-2017 wasn't the same guy that developed Josh Allen and is now his offensive coordinator.

Ending with massive deep bomb followed by a cart-wheel and backflip while running down to high five his receiver. Yep. The kid has the tools and the attitude.

The decision should be narrowed to 2 quarterbacks. But not the two that are being reported. It should be down to Bryce Young and Anthony Richardson. Levis has journeyman bust written all over him and CJ Stroud is not a player you draft to elevate a team and bring the best out of other players on the roster. Bryce Young is the best QB in the draft. He possesses all of the traits you want in a QB minus the size. But you have to believe, based on his football IQ, instincts, and opportunity to work with an A+ coaching staff, that it will not be the issue it has been made out to be. Anthony Richardson should have stayed in school. But... maybe he knew that Florida wasn't going to be the place to improve himself as a QB. He has all-world talent and ability. He reportedly had the best team interviews of any top QB at the combine. He's so raw that a coaching staff can really mold this kid into something special. If this staff believes that Richardson has the goods and that he possesses everything needed to make the improvements necessary, I don't know if you pass on him. Everyone is glowing about the possibility of Richardson going to Seattle. Why? Because they made Russell Wilson a star and Geno Smith a pro-bowler. What about this staff? What IF they could do it? It would set the league aflame. And the Panthers will be a scary team for more than a decade.

Ok, that's pretty impressive. The kid has remarkable talent. No doubt about it.

For the National Championship, yes. But he also won the SEC Championship and a Heisman.

I mean... a National Championship (as a backup, I know) and a Heisman. Nothing significant.

It really is going to come down to knowing how to protect oneself when getting hit. Even 6'5 250 pound QBs like Cam had to learn how to slide and know when to run out of bounds or throw the ball away. Not doing so is asking for a shorter, injury plagued career (as we have seen). Some positions can't avoid contact, but QB is a position where it becomes a decision. Some bigger QBs can withstand hits better, but it adds up in the long run. Even now, the Bills are very aware of how much Josh Allen is getting hit and are making a conscious effort to reduce that significantly. Two types of QBs scare me in terms of getting hit: 1. QBs that can't feel the pressure approaching or have no awareness of defenders on a blitz and have no time to prepare for the hit, thus taking hits like a crash test dummy. 2. QBs that drop their shoulder on a run or roll out instead of sliding. Injuries are a part of the game, but it really has to do with decision making and play-style, moreso than size. I remember seeing Jeff Garcia take the full weight of Kris Jenkins and he rolled around on the ground in agony for a minute or so. But he got up, finished, and even won the game (I believe so... It was a while back). Some of the better QBs in the league at staying healthy, did so because they knew presnap where they wanted to put the ball, called the right protections, and got it out quickly.

Who?

I guess we do see these ideas differently. I'm looking at it from the investment aspect. They have a lot to lose with the moves made this off season, both from a financial standpoint (free agents and coaches), and from a team asset standpoint (players and draft picks). I think Rhule wanted to play it safe and therefore wasn't on the same page with Tepper. Tepper wanted to trade the farm for both Stafford and Watson. But settled for lower cost trades in Darnold and Mayfield. Maybe the other deals just fell through, but I look at how Rhule built his rosters and he always picked players he had history with or players that looked to have the least bust potential. And it didn't work out. And he clearly didn't have the same value on the QB position as the rest of the league.

Yes, but those reasons proved to be invalid. The guys that passed on Allen and Mahomes as direct result of those choices. The goal of any scout, exec, coach in the league is to trust the process, but also learn from past mistakes. And what about this offseason shows that the franchise is playing it safe? We are making some difficult and costly decisions to turn this team into a winner. Why would you then play it safe with the most important position in all of sports? These guys are swinging for the fences, not for singles or doubles. They are CLEARLY gambling. They played it safe with Rhule and it was an epic failure. So... We hired a coach that was just fired. Overspent on an experienced, talented coaching staff. Traded our #1 (and only reliable) receiver in his prime. Actually made impact signings during free agency. and traded for the #1 pick .... None of these moves are safe, by any stretch. So them going with a "prototype" (physically) quarterback would seem almost out of joint with this new direction for the team. I don't think they feel, or have felt, that they have to play it safe, at all.

What would you refer to them as?

Bryce has that immeasurable "it" factor that CJ lacks. Now I will say it isn't exactly necessary to have, but it makes a vast difference over the entire body of work in their career. This is what separates the Joe Burrows and Patrick Mahomes' from the Justin Herberts and the Jared Goffs. The 2nd two have been decent in their own right (Herbert especially), but there just seems to be something... missing that the 1st two possess. And it impacts their play and their team's play.

There is if you heard anyone talking about the QBs in each draft, but keep your head in the sand man, I'm sure that will work out for you in the end.

Ulterior motives or logical connection based on evaluation of the conversations being had? Reading comprehension is difficult. Gotcha.

Y'all Young-haters are some sad individuals. Real sad. And wrong. But also sad.

It should be Bryce Young. He is the right choice. But I'm afraid our coaching staff won't see it that way.

Then you know he sucked

The connection of Tepper wanting Young only comes from the fact that he has stated previously that he is a metrics and statistics guy. Show him the evidence broken down to make the best decision based on results. Young, when evaluated, is tops in the draft in many different important areas for a QB. So I could buy the idea that he is "hedging his bets" on the numbers. Maybe he doesn't feel that way though.

I'm not overstating it. The front office execs would be. Young? Heisman Trophy winner? Charismatic? Already doing commercials and other types of media exposure? Yeah, he would get a reaction. No one knows if he will win or lose when he is drafted. The hype would be hope and excitement. And if he fails in year one, it is explained away as rookie growing pains and needing more surrounding talent. It really isn't until year 3 that guys are put on the chopping block. That's a lot of capital to gain off of this kid's presence in the meantime. Richardson? Look at what happened after the combine. He went from MAYBE being a late 1st round pick, to possibly going number 1. He caused real excitement. People were infatuated with his athleticism. That is ALL that was (and to a degree, still is) being talked about, everywhere. The other QBs took a backseat to this guy that didn't have great statistics and wasn't a winner in college. Didn't matter. That kind of public reaction gets attention from the guys looking at the dollar sign potential.