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Well, one of the biggest advantages of a typical slot receiver is being able to get separation on that nickel guy and beat people deep. Other than that, yeah, having that crazy catch percentage is huge. I 100% agree on the sustainability because his contract year was an outlier. You ALWAYS have to be suspicious of those guys. We don't get to see him day in and day out in practice or with the team to know whether that is the product of really finally maturing(and for him staying healthy) or this was just the knowledge that this was going to be the year he had to put it all together to get his big payday. Based on last year alone, Samuel was one of the best slot guys in the in the NFL. However, that hasn't been the case for his entire career. Losing 2020 Curtis Samuel will absolutely hurt us. The question will be if 2020 Curtis Samuel will be what we would see moving forward. He'll be an interesting guy to follow at his next team to see if he is a budding star or not. IMO, CMC is an extra element for us but he creates a different kind of mismatch than a slot guy does. I would like to try and replace Samuel if necessary.

CMC can't replace a #3 WR but he can make that loss less impactful. Namely because CMC isn't capable of being a deep threat WR. Hopefully we are able to sign or draft a guy that can provide that extra weapon that Samuel was.

He isn't a genetic freak, he just worked hard at being great at his job. I know people personally that can get yoked and add a bunch of muscle mass like that in a year or less. You just have to be super disciplined and do everything that it takes. Now....none of those guys I know are capable of being an NFL LB. It wasn't Luke's ability to carry muscle mass that made him great. Also, this isn't abnormal. If you look at a lot of the ex-players that were jacked up, a lot of them look smaller because they don't have to spend hours upon hours working out every week for their job. The "genetic freaks" you are talking about are the guys that still stay huge even after they aren't doing 2 a days or spending 20+ hours a week in the gym.

Read through the thread and you will figure it out.

You are late to the game and not paying attention.

Prime Jake had basically one season that would be in Cam Newton's top 5 seasons. You are entitled to your own opinions, you aren't entitled to your own facts.

He'd be a great starter across from Burns or a rotational guy.

Steve Beuerlein was a career 56.9% thrower. Jake Delhomme was a 59.4% thrower. Cam Newton is a career 60.1% thrower. Sooooo......who couldn't throw again? As far as clutch, in 140 career games, Cam Newton has 16 4th quarter comebacks and 20 game winning drives. That is 0.114 4QC/GM and 0.143 GWD/GM. Steve Beuerlein had 13 4QC and 16 GWD in 147 career games. That is 0.088 4QC/GM and 0.109 GWD/GM. Jake Delhomme had 19 4QC and 24 GWD in 103 career games. That is 0.184 4QC/GM and 0.233 GWD/GM. Cam also had the best TD% and INT% among the three. Frankly, aside from Jake being slightly better in the 4QC and GWD drive stats, pretty much nothing you said actually is true.

No but he would be an excellent backup guy.

Scott is a guy worth keeping for depth. Daley will likely just never be able to stay healthy and Little is just terrible. I don't think Little will last long after he is gone from here. Maybe a PS spot or two.

1. Cam 6a. Steve B 6b. Jake The gulf between Cam the other two is very wide. Cam was an elite NFL player and league MVP. Jake and Steve were great stories and fine QB's bit none of them ever dominates the way Cam was able to. Teams had to game plan around him.

Oh this isn't his first awful take. Not sure how many lumps he is willing to take before skulking away. I don't follow the Appaloosa Model religiously, so I can't tell

It was. He also had another 3700+ season for us. But, he played in the NFL for 14 years and only had 4 years over 2500 yards passing. 3 of them were with us. Still think he was the second best QB in franchise history(no disrespect to Jake) but he never reproduced those results anywhere before or after us. I don't know that I see that in Trubisky but he was given a lot more opportunities than Steve was early in his career. Perhaps if he does have that sort of peak it could be in the next few years.

I mean.....most of us pretty much saw the writing on the wall when he told Culley he wasn't going to play for them. Only the Houston front office and @SizzleBuzz seem to believe anything otherwise. Actually, the front office probably knew it too. They just can't come out and say that. So only @SizzleBuzz

It is possible. Steve was technically a journeyman backup that had his peak in Carolina. That isn't a bad comparison, as I view Trubisky as a career backup.

If we can magically get out of Teddy's contract via a trade, I am probably not as caught up on the money. I don't know that he would ultimately be better than Teddy but we would get to see something different at least. Trubisky is largely bad but when he is clicking he can put on a show. I guess that would at least give you 2-3 good games a year to watch versus the 16 straight check-down-a-thons. Trubisky is also a lot more likely to net us a top 5 pick, so there is that. I guess we could try this tanking again.

I am caught up on the money plus I don't really view him the same way you do. I view him as a better backup option than Walker and Grier but not too much more than that. I don't view him as capable of starting for an NFL team for more than a couple of games a season. The Bears just didn't have a lot of great options. I am primarily caught up on tying up that kind of money on a subpar player. With that $8-9 mil, we could get some serious help on the OL or in the secondary. I just can't envision being able to justify spending that on a player of his caliber.

That would be a top 5 backup QB contract last season. I don't see any reason to pay that for him. If we had cash like the Jags or Colts or Pats....sure. But we don't.

I think the story for Trubisky has largely been written, but perhaps he is an outlier. I agree about Lance but I still don't want to be paying another backup caliber QB a big contract. The scenarios probably don't work out to even sign him, in all honesty. I can't see us spending big on a QB if we cut Teddy or if we keep Teddy. I am skeptical of being able to trade Teddy. Maybe we will have more of an idea about the direction we will go when free agency starts.

I don't really view a scenario of him starting here as a win for us, unless it is injury related. IMO, there is no reason to get desperate at QB unless we trade or cut Teddy and then whiff in the draft. I'd rather take a flier on a QB prospect in the 2nd round rather than pay a big salary for Trubisky. We basically know what he is. He's a low end gunslinger that cannot be consistent. He's a poor man's Fitzpatrick, basically.

You can point to Hill too but I don't think you will see the situation of overpaying backup QB's be the norm. Brissett also got that contract to technically be the starter. Same as when Foles got his big deal or Glennon. They just proved to be something other than that and none of these big contracts for those kind of guys have looked good in hindsight. Like I said, I see nothing about Trubisky that makes me want to make him a highly paid backup QB.

I understand but I don't think it is wise to have that kind of money tied up in a backup QB at the moment. I'd rather sign a cheaper veteran QB if we need a #2. Ideally, it would make sense to try and roll as much money as we can over to 2022. I like Trubisky as a cheap backup, not a top 4 paid backup.

I think that is just basically making the Teddy mistake all over again. Tubisky should be looking at a Cam/Winston contract and not a Mariotta contract. We can't keep throwing away money mindlessly as a franchise. If anyone wants to pay him $8+ mil, they are welcome to him.

Jacksonville would be crazy to give up Minshew for that kind of a pick. Frankly, I would probably want a first round pick for him. He is INSANELY cheap and probably the best backup QB in the NFL.

Agreed but we also thought he might be a bottom end to middle tier NFL starter when he proved to just be a journeyman backup QB. I think that has changed the situation quite a bit. I definitely don't care about his feelings. We will see how it all goes down. Hindsight definitely hasn't been kind to the Hurney/Rhule combo from the 2020 offseason. That's another scary thought, what if Rhule was sold on guys like Whitehead, Teddy, Weatherly, etc. I hope we can end up blaming that on Hurney.