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Either way, I don't follow your logic. Watson used to be a proven asset but took two years off and quit on his old team. The trade was terrible based on the results thus far, and people thought it was an overpay even when it happened. Also, Broncos gave up proven and speculative assets for Wilson, then extended him, and are now cutting him before the extension even kicks in. That is infinitely worse than what we did. The dead money hit we took to trade both DJ and CMC (Which is a separate also bad trade in it's own right) is a fraction of the guaranteed money both the Browns and the Broncos have invested in the QBs they traded for. But seriously, ask any other fanbase in the league about where these trades rank in terms of awfulness. 10/10 will say both Watson and Wilson were worse based on assets given up, and cap space allotted to whoever you trade for is an asset. Most will say it's too early to throw the towel in on Bryce to tell with him, but even if he does suck, it isn't in the same ballpark as the other two, and the other two may not even be in the same ballpark as Herschel Walker. If Bryce busts, we draft a replacement in 2025 and our cap will be healthy. The Broncos and Browns are in cap purgatory and may have to let good talent walk in order to maintain a competitive roster all without having a franchise QB with minimal assets to fill in a good team around whatever QB they end up with.

She didn't say she received this info through texts from her sources so it's obviously conjecture.

Did we give up multiple future first round picks and or players, and then immediately pay Bryce 250 million guaranteed or extend him for 130+million while still under contract? Then nah, it's nowhere near as bad as the Browns and Broncos. We have our first in 2025 and we aren't going to be hamstrung by Bryce's contract for years to come. We payed a lot for him in terms of draft capital and a talented receiver, but the trade doesn't prevent us from signing guys/retaining talent (If we ever get any) because of the contract resulting from the trade. It was a dumbass deal to include Moore in it, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying it was overall a good trade. It just pales in comparison to other recent ones.

Even if Bryce busts, I don't even know if it's top 10 worst trades of all time, especially when you have the Watson and Wilson trades just within the past few years. That's not even talking about the trey lance trade, which the 49ers gave up more for even less output for him but fell ass backwards into a pro bowl QB with the last pick of the draft last year. Then there's Herschel walker which is also infinitely worse. Don't get me wrong, the trade is a bust unless Bryce turns into a consistent pro bowl QB, but it's not even in the conversation for worst all time. Just worst in franchise history.

We hire the right GM and the right HC this cycle and make it to the playoffs in 3 years like Detroit did with MCDC. Just to be a contrarian to everyone else in this place.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I understand the desire to look back on older threads to see a snapshot of where we were as a fanbase and what we all wanted at the time. But at the same time, the reason people keep doing it is to perpetuate their own misery and it does nothing to change who we ended up hiring, drafting, or how the team ended up doing this season. Feels like people are doing it just to bitch and moan and stomp their feet for not getting their way. I'm not locking this, but at this point you guys should just be Texans fans.

Mike Singletary as well.

And Sean McVay and Bill Belichick. I honestly don't care as long as we win.

Not relevant but I have seen that clown emoji followed by Tepper's name so many times on this board I now call the clown emoji the Tepper emoji in my head.

Kellen also could have denied the chance to interview after they passed him over last season and he saw how everything went down this year.

It's an interesting look back. Overall consensus was Bryce was the guy but it seems like majority would have been happy with whatever we did. I do find it funny that the biggest knock against Bryce was his durability and he was the most durable of the top 4 QBs taken. I have no idea how good Bryce Young actually is though, because Reich and co did such a horrible job with everyone on offense.

This is honestly such a nothingburger to me. Why waste our time on people who don't want the job?

I don't know because I have no idea what all Morgan has done in house. I personally wouldn't mind a house cleaning, but I don't want it to be a throwing the baby out with the bathwater situation like Brandon Bean where we didn't know what we had until he was gone.

I honestly have no idea how bad Bryce actually was this year. The line couldn't block and the receivers couldn't get open. The scheme Reich implemented was not a fit for literally anyone on the roster not named Adam Thielen - it made everyone look bad - it wasn't just Bryce and it wasn't just because of Bryce. Next year we'll see what we actually have with the kid. If he continues to not be able to put up stats, lick our wounds, move on for the 2025 draft. I cannot in good faith label him a complete bust based on the dysfunction that was our offense this year.

So it seems to be no one's fault because everyone else made the decisions and everyone listened to everyone else. That means you can't blame ______ Fill in the blank - Reich, Fitterer, Tepper, Brown, McCown, Staley..... It really seems people are doing their damndest to make Scott and Reich not look incompetent for what happened this season just because they are nice guys. Fact is, we put together the worst roster and worst team of the year and we don't even have a first round pick to show for it. That is failure top to bottom and EVERYONE needed to go. I don't care if Tepper is there to voice his opinion on matters - it makes sense, he's the owner. If the guys he hires don't have the testicular fortitude to disagree with the owner because they actually know better, then I don't want them in the FO.

I hated having Hurney as our GM after 09. The game just passed him by. Having said that, I would hire him as a "First round Consultant" in a heartbeat. Nothing more. No input on the second round guys who "Had a first round grade" because those guys always suck for us too. First Round Consultant, that's it.

That I don't know and is the big question. Is he a McVay/Shannahan style young wunderkind or an Arthur Smith/Josh McDaniels egomaniac?

Ben Johnson makes that offense go. Dan is the hype man that brings the whole team together.

He honestly might retire. Wish him nothing but the best in his future, whatever he chooses. Ron was good people, but it was time when we did it, and time for the commies to do it.

It's comical how badly all of his decisions have ended up being during his term as GM. Seemed like a good dude, I don't want him anywhere near the team ever again.

What if Tepper was originally leaning towards Stroud, but then Morgan came in like "No, Bryce Young"? Do we want that Guy telling us no?

I am not throwing in the towel on the kid yet because there was so much absolute trash surrounding the offense as a whole, but I will want to see more out of him next season with a better offensive mind at the helm who isn't trying to run a mid-2000's scheme for 6'5 Statues behind center. Also, sure would be nice to get some receivers who can separate, and at bare minimum, know how to line up pre-snap. Overall, F season for everyone on offense not named Adam Thielen, Taylor Moton, or Chuba Hubbard who get a B+, B, and C+ from me respectively.

I understand this line of thinking, but the more you look into anything you spend your money on in this world you can find 500 human rights violations on the way down. I get there are different levels of separation to it and we should all try to be better, but there's blood on all our hands.

We are at rock bottom and still digging as a franchise and it looks like next year is going to absolutely suck regardless of what happens this offseason. We all assume the worst for next year, so what would need to happen for you to actually care/be invested/ want to tune in to any games next season? What moves in the FO need to happen? Who do we hire at HC? What players do we keep and what players do we get rid of? What positions do we go after in the draft and FA? I'm interested to know, because I myself honestly don't know what it would take for me to care about next year. My apathy is at an all-time high and I expect another abysmal year if Fitterer is still in charge of our roster.

I think as a fanbase, I'd have more patience with a first time HC who was growing with the team than I would with an established HC who's experience is supposed to help the team look better from the jump (Like Reich)