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williams is throwing picks but still looks like an MVP vs bryce. the arm and mobility are definitely NFL caliber. he also is a gunslinger and willing to forget the last pick and keep pressing. the cope here on williams being "bad" is comical. rather have williams, DJ moore and all the other fun stuff the bears got vs bryce and it isnt close

Dude had the talent, and it flashed here and in NY. Sucks the fans/team abandoned him instead of support. but the huddle geniuses here saw him as a clip board holder at best and needed Bryce.......... The difference in Minny and Car is staff and still has a full roster. We will see if he turns into a pumpkin later, but right now, he's a world better again

All these ex-players coming out and showing how bad Bryce has been came after our announcement. The announcement Monday opened the door to let them say it without getting the brand that is the NFL to lash out. They don't want a #1 to fail, quite the opposite. Its drama, but not in a good way. For the NFL Bryce getting benched is not a good look, just like his play. Lets think on the timeline here in 2024 The video evidence was there last year. Internally, they got a good chance to review it throughout the season and really well after it ended. Upon review, out goes Fitt cause the NFL tape and the evaluation didn't match up. Morgan must have done one hell of a not my guy sales pitch or at least explained learning from it very damn well and what the next QB may look like if Bryce didn't improve. 0% chance the coaches, Tepper, Morgan, exc went into 2024 without starting to plan the next steps if Bryce didn't correct his course and some big strides in 2024. It's bad business to just stick to a bad stock or employee without an out, even when you like the stock or employee. Performance trumps all. They had to start at least a framework of what to do if Bryce did not improve base on the gap between expectations and output in 2023. And they did things internally to help evaluate the offense as a whole before just a straight 1 and done season from Bryce. They improved the cast with proven commodities to see where gaps were. Externally others had time to look over the 2023 film in depth. Analysts, reporters worth a damn, other players, and want to be football nerds had some tough pills to swallow if they took a stance that Young was the right guy coming into the 2023 draft. A lot took steps back from the stance he was a super processor guy that can overcome physical shortcomings. They had another target to ease their miss from the 2022-2023 draft cycle: Tepper. Damn well they should for this mess and so much more before 2023. But Bryce's NFL flaws were shown, and the team made the exact effort the masses claimed was the real problem: supporting cast needed upgrades. And guess what, Morgan did that. A proven OG pair, another proven WR (so 2 legit WRs, even though Chark was a legit deep threat too), heavy O draft. Brought in Canales for a guy that has promise as an offensive mind to help out. Think this is part of a larger plan to get all the parts of the offense together while the QB is cheap to evaluate the QB and start over if required so the next years have good support for any QB. They did not use Fitts vision of the QB lifting meh into greatness. Then you have game 1 against the Saints to start 2024. Arguably one of Bryce's worst games out of his 1st 17 games kicked off the year. The upper management's fears were on display and that offseason backup plan was squarely on the table to find a new QB. I'd speculate they had a meeting the following days to start talking about what triggers moving on. Coming off the heels of a really bad 2023, and an offseason where he needed to take a mental break for a sec and catch some Netflix. Yeah that's not a bad idea for a guy that's been through the grind and needs a wee bit of time to unwind. The issue is we are not talking about a vet here or someone that just had a bad year after a few years in. We are talking about a guy who didn't process the game at the right speed all last year taking a break...... The bad performances last year coupled with the offseason broke folks. Dante and Thielen are workaholics. They are not the Randy Moss type that it comes natural to. Thielen isn't some physical freak and Dante is a gym rat to get there. Others mentioned body language of other players from 2023 and 2024 practice. I think the locker room had enough DURING game 1. A guy that didn't have it last year, didn't go 100% in through the last game till game 1 of 2024 really would rub those type of players the wrong way and start escalating from soft whispers in 2023 to visible and vocal signs in 2024. Enter game 2, which was the worse of his 18-game career. There was not time to watch the Chargers film and change Canales' mind from the Sunday post-game comments. I think it was more likely a sit down of the front-line leaders (coaches) with the executive team (Morgan and Co) with the CEO (Tepper) and they all agreed to start the process of evaluating the team and start filling the QB role with someone other than Young. Due to the way the NFL works, Bryce isn't out like a typical employee, but it would take one hell of a turnaround for him to stick here long term. 2nd they had the rest of the locker room to contend with. Continuing to let Young out there was pretty much hurting both sides getting later pay checks due to the bad results which was perceived as bad players (something they heard to round out 2023). Alos you have a staff that cannot police bad play as the #1 overall why should the rest give 110%/ make the business decision to stay healthy while collecting checks. Now if they see signs of growth in practice in all forms from Bryce, he can come back and win back a locker room. Right now the tone suggest relief that its not Bryce as QB (ouch). Then you have the big bandwagon of Chase Daniels, Kurt Warner and the like agree with this move from the team on Monday. They saw it possible in review of 2023 and the reports from Bryce, players going on during the offseason and camp. They saw the gaps that were there from 2023 tape, so seeing it again and worse made it easy for that bunch to really lay into why we did this Monday. Crazy Steve A is always going to take a hot take that stirs the drama pot because it gets eyes and talk which equals $$$$$. Others follow that stick too. That group have a correct take on Tepper' failures and issues, but Bryce's failures are also true and they need to admit that too. As for Bryce getting blindsided by this, I can buy a part of it, but one part cannot be left alone. No way the issues we continue to see are never told to him and nothing is going on to help. In no way could a regular employee think if the performance to expectation gap continued to be so large that nothing was going to happen. 18 games almost all well below expectation and needs. So there was a reconning on the horizon and here we are, Bryce should have expected something based on so many bad performances and 2 of the worst this year and the feedback. Now the part I believe. He didn't have a seat in the all-hands call Monday morning, his level doesn't get in that meeting. Also, you generally don't tell a new guy, hey we are looking at firing/benching you this early (AKA preseason here). So I can buy he was told closer to the press conference on Monday, and they didn't tell him earlier as the all hands call with the coaches on up sealed the deal Monday morning.

Ward is a better penix of this class. Not super overwhelming physically but been getting it done forever. Little different that he really didn't have the injury bug, just worked his way from up the rankings. Always had success everywhere he's been. Just older prospect. Competitor, played well in big games, lifts team mates up (making the talent that's always been at Miami pop now) Ewers is the guy to me. Has the it factor but little smaller and nicked up a little every year unfortunately. I don't think injuries he's had translate next level. The arm and moxy does. Now he is a gun slinger and can get streaky which drives folks mad. But he has no conscious and can instantly forget a bad throw and look like great after it. He has had top end talent all around at Texas and a great coordinator too. That's the 4 knocks: other talent, coordinator is great, inconsistency, injuries. He processes better than most, is pinpoint for stretches and has a cannon. Fearless leader of all that talent too that guys latch to. Wanted him to come out so we could maybe take him last April (hahahahahahaha), but he will likely be top 3 now.

Smart money right here. Take out meds another year where the crap at least results in keeping the #1 overall. And that tepper + Morgan keep the stain of the Bryce forever as the 1st #1 overall to lead a team to back to back #1 overall picks.

Without doubt the worst. Reason: relinquished the #1 overall pick and the 2023 costs. As a player, it's a crap shoot, but it may go down as the worst ever just as a player without any of the other circumstances around the pick. He may not make it to a 3rd season on as active roster guy and likely out of the league! Why out of the league, cause he needs to tank this to the max for this year so he can secure #1 overall in back to back years, which would cement his lock on worst of all time. And do I hate it for him, not a bit. He's making so much $ regardless, that puts him into wealth class that is self sustaining as long as he doesn't screw up. For being the worst pick ever, one of the worst NFL QBs ever, yeah, lots of folks would take that. Lucky bust.

Here comes the garbage time drive to make the loonies believe he's salvageable

Can't kick out the folks buying the overpriced concessions.

It's wild: play Bryce and we risk alienating the entire locker room. To point no one will care to play here other than to get a bag. Play red rocket and risk your jobs cause teppers are all aboard the young train. Plus if we have competent coaches and squad, we squander the best chance to land 1-1. Tepper, Fitt, and Morgan have fuged this franchise so damn hard last year and the fallout is massive. You rarely get chances to land a franchise QB and we missed it. To play to win now puts us at risk to wonder the wilderness again. I'm fine with going in on ewers, and haven't a palpable way to go for manning next year without completely turning the locker room over and the fan base over. Cause another year plus of this gets us there, but no one would stand for it

It's a pre war football stat line

Panthers, same team that's keeping a bottom 100 NCAA QB in plumber on the ps. They would still be the dummies that believe in bryce. Otherwise no one. He would be a grad assistant at bama right now. As a thanks for the good times gig. Cause super processor can't figure a damn thing out on the field.

Same here. Had the aints last week and benched them for the chargers. It's easiest play right now.

Dang Ewers getting knocked out. Arch gonna be a good one, but so is Ewers.

worse than that: 1 retired for good, the other dropped back to college. will Canales make it 3 for 3 on panther HC to out of the league?

steve sarkisian aka the shark. was ATL OC, not HC.

doesnt look like it today. hell they may be better on O in 2024 than 2023

close, but incorrect Its Ewers and the shark 2.0

1) Ewers 2a) Beck 2b) Ward Yall sleeping on Ward. Looked good year 2 at both Washington state and Incarnate world before that. the knock is age there imo (5th year right now). the others 2 are younger. Ward is more ready than Beck. really fun to watch. idk where the idea miami doesnt have talent came from earlier in this thread. imo, ward is going to show the talent they always snag there in south beach. he already opening eyes, but its 2 easy games so far (well this 2024 florida team isnt the one of old) I wanted Ewers last year after 2 good ones at texas, want him as #1 this year. not the big strong guy like beck. IDC, Ewers delivers. little bit loose with the ball sometimes. but dude has an NFL arm. he understands the concepts well and isnt waiting to throw to the open guy, he understands how things are developing in front of him and throws before the guy gets open. hes my guy like stroud before. Hes been ready like stroud but decided to run it back another year. yeah he has talent, but even with the crazy turnover, he still delivers (like stroud). someone said Beck is Goff. looks like Tarzan plays like Jane. if you give him time he may be a guy that makes a 2nd team a real find. need a really good coach to unlock him and help him early on but cant teach the size and arm on that kid. only reason. i think ward is the safer bet, but if beck hits, hes a top 10 guy or better.

Nah mahomes keeps us in games. 0-17 my ass. He keeps anyone around .500 in the NFL

And here they come.....

Here come the garbage time stats to make people still believe in PeeWee.

Lol can't make this up. 3rd and 19 so let's draw a PI to let them move the chains. You know what, the D gets a pass as PeeWee can't keep the saints offense off the field. At some point if that little crook gets to keep screwing up and playing, they are all going to say fug it cause they won't do anything to PeeWee.

Funny, cause you coled the charge on dumping Darnold

Want Ewers. He's got the it factor like stroud. Is he as big and strong armed as beck, no. Don't care he's NFL sized and has an NFL arm. Unflappable too. I'd take the cleaned up shark with him from Texas too. He was too early to the NFL and wasnt ready, but he's an O genius and gets it out of everyone.

Bryce has the same number of completions as ints in Q1. And his only completion and catchable ball was to end the quarter. Same as last year with a real line up front so that excuses is gone. It was clear last year and clear again, Bryce isn't an NFL QB.