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Coaching still an issue. I'm sorry but after a TO wtf are we running the play clock down to the point of burning a TO. CMC saved the coaches ass again with that run though

After such a good 1st half, I must say, Matt Rivera Rhule hopefully gets a lesson on why it's silly to sit on a lead.

Rough 3rd for the offense.

17/22 and 234 in a half can play. Yeah there was a miss it 2 in there but damn that's a nice half, even if we left 10+ on the field. I want to see the shanahan, and billy B style and keep it up till it's 00:00 on the clock.

So glad Sam got this game 1st. Kick off rust, get settled in, and less pressure than say the Bucs. Hope he can rebuild the confidence and swag he had at USC. He has all the talent in the world, just needs some confidence he can get it done. Helps he has a ton of playmakers. Hes had a bit of pressure to deal with but he's managed ok. Get the line fixed and there's a chance to surprise. Still super nervous teams learn to overload the left side though and take the deep threat away.

Agreed. I am shocked he has stuck so long too. He is a 1 trick pony as a rusher, but those have real value. Glad the new staff has held on to him.

Off the cuff, it against the lions last year

Whew. Yeah I lolz every time someone goes ypa grading systems. It's not contextual at all.

I hope you are not implying anything about dax v TB here. Cause lord if you are.....

Hmmmmmmm. 2017? Who brought the hot tub time machine to Charlotte

Let's see, the last few years no decades is to work on both the QB position and both lines. We had mediocre line last year. half the o-line solved from last year's team: Moton and Miller/paradis. Those last 2 are serviceable and upgradable but we're not going to kill us. Unless you start both and down grade other positions and by God that's what we actually accomplished. We go into FA with a great plan: target O-line depth. Not sold on elf as a solid backup but hey had to take some chance there. Cam Erving was fine as a backup hold the fort for a few game as a starter. Not thrilled with these at the $ but they are solid depth. Although solid depth for a playoff team with high aspersions. Or low end starters like they are here. They are the "all in style moves" to make a run if your good starters go down for a short time, these are the guys with experience you want vs young guys still learning the trade. Rebuilding teams don't really focus on experienced vets at this level for their backups. Backups for a rebuilding teams are the development guys. So we did exactly what Hurney would have done (woops). Enter the draft. Still needing to really upgrade the starting line and what do we do, go completely counter to the trend and go CB 1st. I love horn, he will be absolutely great. Odds are they don't throw his way in later years and that's nice. We had the chance to really lock down a top guy in Slater or Darrisaw to find another bookend and take an average line from 2020 to a above average line. This would have been anything but all in. Thank ron if you wish for gifting us a win with Haskins, but it wasn't like it was a 1 guy class at OT. Then we later go find a conversion project in Brady and a guy that needs some conditioning in brown. Im fine with this as we need that as a rebuilder but left us in a real mess at the starting unit. If we wanted to really build it thru the draft swing and a miss in the 1st So now we are looking at starting 2 backups (stop gap backups at that) to start the year. They had a chance to really take a step forward but did the exact opposite. So yeah we have a reason to be concerned. Especially with the QB not having a track record of over coming a suspect line.we could now go another off-season still needing help at OT and QB. We could have solved the OT in the draft day 1 but went counter to the trend. So now we will be right back here next year with a boat load of skill players but no line or QB to get them the ball. We saw that story the last couple years. But hey let's try again......

Even Neal ffs. Pair him with big boy Brown on the right side and move Brady to LG and moton to LT (should have been done this year but wtf ever) Center would still be WIP, but it be a mean ol line to really let CMC and Hubbard roll behind.

He had a good staff there in 2018 and 2019. Sounds like he had a knee injury in 2019 but played thru it..... He has the tools. Think for him it's more about reps and getting to play against higher caliber players on a consistent basis. He's also cheaper than Grier and easier to stash for another year. Long term he's a backup. NFL arm but no touch at this point (2019) and issues with footwork. Only has the fastball but it's good, very good. Big time gun slinger. He had a chance before Wilson to stick around and maybe get there one day with the Jets. Now that was never going to happen so I get why he left one PS for another.

If a 3rd is all it takes for Julio, sign us up. He's worth that even at his salary. Its 50/50 he moves even if he wants to. Falcons can't really just throw him away for only a 2nd really, but that contract and age bit makes it tough to take him back for a 1st unless you really have room and the team to make a SB run.

Agree that the door is open for Smith as a returner/ST starter with Pharoh Cooper gone. He should focus on PR/KR, coverage teams day one kinda like the last Smith did to start his career here. Honestly, Smith is likely a 2022 guy once they decide on what to do with Anderson and DJ. Also think David Moore vs Smith should be a toss up as #4 WR. David Moore is a know commodity with Fitterer and the NFL, so they have a solid guy if none of the rookies work out. Pride is maybe the dime guy at this juncture and that's a big stretch. Agree he's got a lot of competition from 2 rookies, Jackson, and the 2 FA brought in. Agree he would be a total shock to start right now. Even with Bouye missing the 1st 2 games, he's going to struggle to get past the dime spot to open the season. He has to clear 1 of Melvin, Jackson, or Horn in weeks 1-2, and then also Bouye after that to get into the top 3. I hope he gets to redshirt in essence in 2021 (he needed it last year) and grabs the #3 spot next year.

Yeah Elf is the C in waiting as it stands today. I'm with you that I'm not thrilled with that but, who knows, maybe he gets back to average. Maybe Moore works out as an UDFA at C, but not hitching my wagon to that. Erving would get the 1st crack in 2022 if ELF fails, but I'm not really feeling great with Erving as more than a backup (and a pricy one). Think Erving was brought in as a plug to patch the dam whenever there is a hole; he's the super sub. Super backup IMO, but will forced into a starting role. I'm going with LT as the #1 need again on the line. I'm thinking Christinsan is a LG more than a LT. And that's ok. Think he would grade out as a fantastic LG in a zone blocking scheme. I think they have to keep Moton right now as he's the only good lineman they really have. Yes it's at RT, but they are not finding a LT in FA they can afford. So keep him at a premium for 3-4 years and look for the cheap rookie at LT or role out with a scrap heap guy yet again (okung and other were serviceable). I Would hate to see Brady go to RT out of need because we screwed up with Moton, it create another hole..... Think they have 4+ guys to plug in at RG so that's not an issue in 2022. I do like that we have a few guys that can play 2 or more positions on the line, that's useful for backups. So in 2022 that's: LT: TBD, Scott, Erving LG: Christinsan, Daley, Moore Elf, Erving, Moore RG: Erving, Miller, Brown RT: Moton, Erving, Scott That's 10. Daley would be in a scrap with Brown, Moore, Miller and any rookies to stick.

Would not be shocked to see him as the starting SAM this year. He was/is a really good athlete and when he is on the field, dude produced at all levels. Now it sucks he lost part of 19 and all of 2020, but he has no more of a battle that any of the other 1 year deal guys. Also would not be shocked to see us mix in a lot of odd man fronts where he comes in. The 19 team left us with some interesting OLB mix, as did the acquisition of Reddick. He is the oddly forgotten guy. Think he would have played a lot last year if he was able to.

More interested in watching the D vs the Jets than what Darnold does. What's odd is this is a new Jets staff so no real tape on them. So it will be interesting to see how our staff adapts and how our talent matches up after drafting all D in 2020, out 1st in 2021, and so many other adds this year on D via FA. no excuses vs last year. They better look at least average. That's the side that imo determine how far this team can go. They should curb stomp the Jets O.

Eh Sam isn't exactly careful with the ball and has had some really bad turnovers with the Jets and at USC his sophomore year. 39 INTS and 9 fumbles in 38 games with the Jets isn't confidence inspiring, but on the whole not terrible. He isn't Winston levels of turnover machine atleast, but Winston also put up points (just not enough for the points he gave away). I think Sam needs to be closer to early Jake Delhomme (2003-2005) to get the team where they want to go. Now they need a better D than 2020, kinda like Jake did, to really make any noise. And really that's not a bridge too far for him. Jake was never the completion percentage king, but he did push the ball down field. I'm hoping Sam gets back to that like at USC. I'm willing to see if he looks average with streaks of good/great play this year and makes the real jump in 2022 to good/great on the whole.

The irony. Bills legitimately are the depo for ex panther players, coach, and GM. To become what we could have been if we jettisoned nippleshorts (who became Hurney), and riverboat earlier.

On Marshall: Been a fan of his after 2019, and only grew after watching Jefferson in the NFL. Marshall is a guy that forum draft experts in these parts scoffed at in February as a luxury unneeded pick. Over rated in 2019 bc of all the other guys at LSU. only mediocre stats (a TD plus a game over last 20 games?!?). Only guys I had there with him was Jenkins out of need, not potential or who would be better as a pro. Here's the thing, in 2022 we have to make a tough call on Robbie, either pay 2 wrs 10+ a year or decide which WR to keep ( Moore by a landslide). So we HAD to restocks sometime soon. Is the 2nd too much? No, this is a guy with all pro potential at 59. He was extremely productive in 2019 as 3# at LSU and still got what 13 TDS? Only 4 games out of 12 he didn't score. In big games in 2019: bama 1 TD, Dawgs 2TDS, Sooners 2TDS, tigers 1TD. So he shows up. He dominated games in 2020 to the point they basically made him the offense (mizzu game) and he slayed. 10 TDs in 7 games without a rear QB..... Yeah luxury to have this production over 19 games...... The 2 leading WR at LSU in 2019 both pegged Marshall as the guy with the highest potential. His jump ball rate is otherworldly. Coaches rave about his football IQ. Took a leadership role in 2020 and challenged the team after a slow start as a true junior. Then go read up on his character on the athletic (to those with a sub). He isn't a prima dona like so many wrs. His issue was stuck as #3 in 2019 (13tds poor guy) and limited 2020 thanks to covid, health, and all of LSU 2019 offense all but gone. He does have some medical flags, but on the field he was dynamic. IMO he has 3 real issues: stay on the field, block a bit better, and a little more focus on the ball before turning up field (can get a little lazy here). That's about it, and a little nitpicky.

This would complete the oline. Would give good depth too and young guys time to develop. Fitt keep the role from the weekend going. Get it done.

Comp: 65% Yards: 3950 TDS:32 (air and ground) INTS: 17 board line pro bowl. He has 2 big guys to go to in the red zone vs 2020 in Marshall and Arnold (and maybe CMC). That's worth a few TDS (6+) vs last year. Sam is much more aggressive then teddy (+6TDs). Should have a better backfield then last year to help out (CMC is a +1TD adder, takes away air yards to rushing yards and rushing tds). Marked improvements in D equal more opportunities, but less come from behind opportunities to rack up stats (net I think is wash on TDS, takes away yardage total). Line is marginally improved in terms of play ( no big +- from them).

Joey is the new gano. Another big leg kicker that will have every miss cause a huddle meltdown. He is paid to kick off 1st, XP 2nd (same issue as gano here), mid range fg, then bail out staff and O with bomb 50+ FG. His #1 issue is make all the XP. 64 out of 71 isn't good (90%, 94% seams the new average league wide). Make all those, like Mr consistent Justin Tucker, and most people shut up about not making 60%+ on the 50Yd+ bombs. Same issues as gano. Now as long as he is cheap, no issues (gano was well paid and had these issues). He was 28 of 30 under 50 last year and overall 45 out of 51 (88%). Yeah not thrilling but enough to keep a spot in the NFL. He's replaceable for sure, but at his salary level, not the most important part of the team to go spend on an upgrade. Kickers are all crap shoots other than a few in any year/game.

Shi Smith really has to screw up to not make the top 6 imo. Think he's tough enough that he will do anything for a spot, even ST gunner and possible returner. So that's the 4th. Also looks to be Cooper's replacement. Personally I would have him as a specialist all year: learn to be a kick and punt returner and refine that craft. David Moore might have a slight edge on experience and that's about it. If they think someone else can do as good a job then he shouldn't make it over the guy that's on a cheaper deal. So right now I have him in the hot seat but firmly in at 5 till camps get underway. Bayless is the wild card to me. He turned a lot of heads in camp. Sucked he went down last year and didn't really get to take hold of a spot. He is Moore's strongest threat. Add Kirkwood as the #3 guy to battle for #5. But I don't think the saints-brady connection matters quite as much year 2. Zylstra had a leg up as a ST guy for #6. Now he could have threats from the DB group that didn't play last year can contribute on ST if they want to keep the WR group more offense focused and not stash an additional ST guy there but in the DB group. Now if Shi can come in and play on all the ST packages kinda like cooper, that hurts Zylstra a little bit. But until camp think he's kinda solidly on the roster EDIT: Tremble likely takes a spot on every ST unit so that likely affects the necessity of a true WR gunner.