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Lol depends what what you mean some people here think innocent until guilty is some sort of mindset to walk around with - it’s not you don’t let your kid get near a neighbor with child sex charges that are pending you don’t let serious domestic violent cases out of jail without an ankle bracelet just because they’re not ruled guilty yet people with violent crimes are denied bond, yet aren’t guilty yet, bonds wouldn’t even exist hell...why is anyone in jail that hasn’t been ruled on yet? ...could you imagine a world where all this was true? It wouldn’t work. court proceedings take years sometimes Innocent until guilt simply refers to court proceedings and the right to a fair trial, it does not allow you the benefit of a dangerous situation of people not using their brains - that would be asinine Some people are truly innocent and they’re the casualties of the system - but there is not a casualty free system O.J. Has gone through the processes and was found innocent. O.J. Is also a murder.

Right but you would not request a grand jury for something you strictly want to keep civil is my point. You would keep it a judge trial, because a civil judge cannot punish/convict someone through criminal case means. Also a judge can decide what evidence to consider and what not, where as a jury can be given all the evidence to make a decision. My post meant a criminal trial, once charges are taken, are not about settlements etc. It is very tough to have a civil and criminal case pending because of self incrimination from either case to the other. If this is taken criminally, that case usually is resolved first and decides the outcomes of the civil case. So in theory my hunch is Buzbees wants this case taken criminally through a jury provided with all the evidence and will basically win a civil case based on the result of a criminal case. This seems to me a plan from a lawyer who has solid evidence for a criminal charge because the proof required for criminal charges is exponentially greater than a civil case. However it is still possible to win a civil case with a failed criminal charge proceeding- but in the case of sexual assault I’d see that as rare. Of course laws vary greatly with each states, things like cost of damages (not citing the measly $500 that was required to submit the charges), but also the politics of the courts/state as far as whether or not a lawyer will request a jury. But in general circumstances and most states these are standard proceedings to involve criminal court and not keep it strictly civil.

Then why would they request a grand jury? Once the state of Texas or DA takes the case, it’s about criminal charges, not settlements. And in order to get them to take the case, you need a jury. Which is what’s being requested. Very bad route to go by the lawyer if the end game is cash settlements.

Doesn’t appear to be all about cash settlements... The lawyer is requesting a grand jury, which will privately hear the evidence decide if this goes criminal/indictment. The end game could possibly be imprisonment. Of course if the don’t take it criminal and it stays civil - things could change. Either Watson is a serial offender or this is the biggest high profile celebrity set up so far in the 21st century.

It would actually be really dumb. Before wasting cap space paying someone through legal proceedings, a team should at least wait and see if the jury deems this as something that goes to criminal charges. And no, the Panthers don’t have ‘inside info’ on 22 women and a jury that doesn’t exist yet lol.

22 women in counting, most recent case from this month... Damn that’s a whole lot of people

Nah Something happens and he gets on the list and/or suspended or worse...and you’re left with your dick in your hands and no draft for 3 years...that situation will 100% set you back close to a decade. It just isn’t worth that kind of risk. The people who want to make a move like this do it based off what they will believe will happen because of their personal opinion of the case, rather than what’s factually unknown. That’s called emotions. And business decisions on emotions is dumb.

Come on man lol...how many people do you know accidentally let one loose and later say something like sorry for making you feel uncomfortable. Most people don’t even say anything and at most, in the moment say sorry about that or excuse me.

This would be good. Not sure how expensive he’d be though.

Guess he missed the whole ‘confidential’ in bold letters at the top lol. Although as someone who routines works with confidential information just putting it at the top has no bases, as is there is nothing about this letter, information or otherwise that would make it ‘confidential’. ‘The League’ are no law enforcement, a government entity, judges, or healthcare. I am assuming that stamp is for internal employees/policy.

I mean it sounds logical. Not only Panther fans, but if you read any other fan board who thought about getting Watson they were hesitant about their favorite team selling the future as well. It’s an unprecedented trade for a QB this young and this successful. So no one really knows or has anything to compare it to, but the price is intimidating and I don’t see an issue with anyone hesitant for those reasons. It is also logical to see it as a deal breaker. There are a plethora of things that could happen. More victims come forward. Could actually end up guilty. Could end up suspended. Or yea, absolutely nothing will come of it. But logic would say the situation is concerning. Not whether you thinks it’s true or not. The situation. The list goes on, I also don’t see any issue for hesitation for these reasons. Valid concerns all around. What’s not logical is to say none of those drafts picks will matter anyway and Watson will be completely cleared of all these charges and nothing will come of them and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda. Trying to see something that isn’t there.

Any chance people just want to wait and see if it’s legit or not?

Ehhh probably. Reactions are probably based on the timing. As I said it is suspicious. Wilson has a better relationship with his city and team. I think any high profile player who is disgruntled and has a public, dramatic beef with their franchise who all of a sudden has things like this conveniently come up at this time would get the some responses. I would not classify Wilson in that category. But there is a chance that despite the bad timing there isn’t anything related about it. Bottom line is the details and outcome are more important and are what reactions should be based on more than the timing IMO. I think it’s completely fine to say the timing is suspicious, but doesn’t mean I’ll completely disregard the situation. Just have to wait and see, and people absolutely hate that notion.

It’s quite strange. I remember when Rothlisburger caught his first charge, he was flamed everywhere as being a dumbass. And that was only when the first incident occurred where the victim bragged sleeping with him the day after it happened. Second incident had more merit but was withdrawn immediately for some reason (probably money). Maybe it’s the timing, and it is no doubt suspicious it’s just strange reading all these responses and Twitter replies, a ton of people dismissing the issue without process and ‘fully supporting Watson’ without waiting to see what happens.

Doubtful. What will happen, is most likely the same thing with Rothlisburger, a settlement with no details and Watson will continue playing. His reputation may be a bit tarnished with snarky comments but probably not on the same scale as Ben. Unless either a victim or Watson is true about really not caring about money - the details will never come out or matter in court. But in reality, that almost never happens.

Camp filler

Lol typical fuging Hurney

Not according to the last 20 years of playoff contenders. Mediocre olines have made the super bowl only 3-4 times in two decades - all had a HOF qb. You need both. Who is to say the new GM and coach cannot prioritize investing in quality prospects through the draft? They certainley can’t even try if they don’t have the picks. You’re just assuming the new staff will continue run things like Hurney...and in which case nothing will help us.

that’s the problem

It’s not because we’ve had a bunch of first round oline busts.

18th ranked oline and 19th ranked defense in the league... it’s a good starting point but there are a lot more reasons the Panthers lost than just QB play

Any and all Panther fans including myself would love Watson here

Lol you know that’s not how the huddle works we could literally trade every starter we have and they’d expect playoffs next season and then when it failed they’d make excuses they didn’t give Watson a worthy team

That’s pee wee league, the real olympic level gymnastics is to articulate how the Panthers field a competitive team giving up something like 3 first/seconds and/or Brown/Chinn/Burns.