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It still works, just does it matter? I'd say that depends on the owner. Does the owner mind wasting the money on players that result in a poor product on the field? You can game the system forever with bad players just like good players, but you do have to be careful with players you might cut. Cut players dead cap can't be indefinitely kicked down the road. Out of your list there, the only player to get cut is Teddy. I am talking strictly about gaming the cap. When you say this "works," but that doesn't, maybe that's not what you are talking about? I mean capwise Ramsey=Donte because they are both on a roster and their salaries can be kicked down the road indefinitely. How they play is irrelevant - as long as they are on the roster.

He looked good year 1 too. Remember the dline man substitution slow walk? That was one bad ass, dare I say Belichickian, move.

Didn't Robbie have a career year the year before getting his deal? You've also got to assume Rhule was a hard YES on locking Robbie down and was pushing for a deal to be done as well. There is some logic on getting player in cheaper before their price goes up. We got lucky with DJ tbh. If we didn't get a deal done when we did, even just a few weeks later his price tag would have absolutely gone up.

I agree with this. The problem with Rhule was how last season went. At some point, it really looked like the wheels fell off. And as the season progressed it just continued getting worse till the whole team was a dumpster fire. Considering the offense was okay at the beginning, and the defense was (more than) above average and they both fell off a cliff. I have to blame coaching. Rhule made changes this year, but he's gotta prove it now. He's gotta prove he's learning and growing. The only hope is there really is no evidence at all that he lost the locker room.

Problem with evaluating any of these guys is we don't really know how much hands they have in things. How much of Darnold was Fitt or someone else? Who was banging the table for the 5th year option? Same with last year's linemen. Some questionable choices but hard to read how Fitt fit in with those decisions.

Yeah in all seriousness, it's hard to tell if you should be excited or depressed.

More of our defense getting ripped for 60 yard runs? No thanks.

I would do that in a heartbeat, then dump Mayfield for a 4th or whatever I could get. Even if we eat his whole salary, it'd be like we cut Sam Darnold and got a pick back for doing so.

Sure, of course. I don't disagree with "wanting to win". I didn't say anything about his ability. But I do, very strongly, agree with his "wanting to win". He's likely to be the owner for a long, long time so I hope he does figure it out.

The question was "Do you approve of David Tepper’s actions and vision for the franchise?" Yes, I 100% agree with his vision for the franchise. Undoubtedly. I want the Panthers to be a perennial playoff team. Tepper has said that over and over and that is clearly the long term goal he wants. Do I approve of Tepper's actions? I did not approve of the field change to turf. I did not approve of the practice facility going in SC, which blew up in his face anyway. Beyond that, I can't say about much else. There are not enough FACTS to know what has went on behind the scenes regarding Rhule/Fitts. I'm not going to judge Tepper on a decision to not fire Rhule without more information. That's not fair and it's not right. To each their own, but I'm not a know-it-all dick. Beyond these items above, what exactly else are we judging Tepper on? Charlotte FC? Who cares, irrelevant to the Panthers success. Not firing Hurney sooner? Sure I can get on board with that. But honestly how much is nit picking? Nobody asked about leadership. The question was regarding Tepper's decisions and vision. But just to go on record, I have no clue what kind of leader Tepper is or if he should have any sort of leadership role with the Panthers. That's the HC coach and the GM's job. Tepper's leadership shouldn't be relevant to anything I care about.

I think that's the rub. It definitely was a story, but is it still a story? Perhaps. I think this story goes away at the beginning of training camp if a trade hasn't happened by then. Any later and it's simply just not ideal to bring someone in like Baker that late. You are just setting them up to fail, kinda like Cam last year.

It's a different story if he gained 10 lbs of lean muscle mass and lost 15 lbs of fat. That's a massive transformation for an average person

Crack habit prolly.

Keep in mind we had fired the OC midseason last year. I can imagine, behind the scenes, it was a cluster on the offensive side after that.

Weird thread. Carry on.

I like optimism, but man your use of stats is garbage. You can't compare the number of seeds in a whole apple to the number of seeds in half an apple. I don't think anyone is so tied up on the specific number of drops as your are. Here's some real numbers. RA had 6.4 drop percent. #40 in the NFL. #16 amongst wide receivers. Other notable names higher than Anderson include Kelce, Chase, Hooper, Kamara, Lamb, Deebo Samuel. Also, I'm seeing 10 drops total from DJ Moore; Keenan Allen with 8. So obviously stats are coming from different sources and there is apparently variances on how these stats are determined. I have no idea which site is most accurate, but from my perspective, Robbie Anderson had the highest drop rate of any WR on our team who had significant targets. Thomas and Hubbard had some targets and even worse drop rates, by far.

I'm pretty sure whatever personality or behavior things he may have are like 4th or 5th on the list of why he hasn't been traded. I promise you if his tape looked like Aaron Rodgers, he'd be on just about whatever team he wanted, Cleveland would have a haul, and his new team's fan base probably wouldn't even complain too much about his dumbass commercials.

Mayfield was spotted in a Washington brewery recently, just outside Seattle....

You can't pick up a player's 5th year option in their 3rd year. Dude's trolling.

Hmm, I think what's going on here is the Panthers are about the only team with the cap space and the media is putting two and two together. If *we* aren't interested, there aren't many other options to take those contracts. If we aren't interested, there is no story. I do think Fitt is fueling this though, anonymously. If someone asks him if we are interested in such and such player, his answer will ALWAYS be something to the effect of "never say never" which, to the media, means enthusiastically YES, if it fits the narrative they are wanting to discuss.

The writer isn't wrong. The coach is a question mark, though I think we upgraded the coaching staff overall. And Sam Darnold is Sam Darnold. With an elite coach we could do better. With at least an average QB we could do better. We do not have either, thus hard to say we win any games. Sadly, in Corral we trust.

That's not a great solution if CMC goes down though. You don't want to be moving your #1 WR to RB for very many snaps. Typically they've used Moore on Jet sweeps/end arounds kind of plays.

I thought it was in reference to his screen name...

Rhule has final say, but does he have authority to terminate Fitterer? I'd bet no. Thus Fitterer has the ability to tell Rhule no IF Tepper is in his corner. I think "Rhule has final say" is both true and not true at the same time. It comes down to Tepper and I think Fitterer has Teppers backing at this point.