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How? Please elaborate. Don't get me wrong, i have no fuging clue about QBs. I also have no fuging clue how messing up on one draft pick ruins your franchise for multiple years.

That doesn't make any sense. Just because your 1st rounder busts this year doesn't mean you can't draft another next year (see Cardinals). Unless you trade up for 3 1st rounders, in which that case you would have a point.

I was hoping for an interesting thread, but instead it's another bash the Panthers thread.

Cool story bro.

That's all it takes. 1. Get a QB. 2. Win. That's it. That's basically the formula.

Not really. If your opponent is constantly getting 30 yard fields, they are going to score more points. Those points count against the defense, even though they are defending a short field. Not saying that is exactly what happened with us, just saying short fields makes your defense look worse than it is and we had A LOT of turnovers.

Flores has made himself virtually unhireable.

You have to play to win. If you never roll the dice, you'll never find your franchise guy. You can take the safe pick over and over again, but until you win the QB lottery, you will never be more than a playoff contender. That's where you need smart scouts and front office to really get some sort of hint of who could be and who isn't. This year, is any of these guys worth it at 6? Idk. I don't get paid to watch QBs all day and night. Will none of these guys be franchise QB's? Doubt that. I bet one of these guys will be legit. I hope that guy is a Panther next year.

Absolutely. I think a lot of thought though is it's a waste of a pick for a game manager. Lots of people seem to think it's franchise guy or bust...but don't spend the pick unless you are 1000% certain it's a franchise guy. The way I see it, if it's an upgrade, then take a guy in the first round. If you can upgrade again next year or the year after, do that. Right now, we need an upgrade over Darnold. I'd love to see us on the cusp of playoff contention over this poo we're in right now.

We? Sources please. I know this has been discussed to death, but I don't recall seeing anything definitive one way or another. Can you link to anything, interview, something that makes it clear it wasn't Joe Brady? I just don't recall seeing anything like that. It's been awhile, so memory could be fuzzy.

QB is so key. Far higher than any other position. You draft a QB every year, or every other year if you're on the fence on last years guy, until you have your franchise QB. Once you have your QB, all other pieces will come together quickly if you are hitting on most of your 2nd round picks. QB is just too important and too hard to get. You have to play to win, if you know what I mean. We haven't been playing the lottery though. We've been dumpster diving. Easier to win the lottery than the dumpster.

I'm really hoping Matt Rhule saw what he was doing wasn't working and made the conscious decision to make changes and wasn't forced. No way to know, but if the former, than there is actually some hope for next year.

I haven't followed this conversation, but this right here makes me sick. What a shitty Panthers fan. My biggest complaint about this place is how many non-Panthers fans are allowed to run rampant. Notice when the team is winning, certain people just disappear? It's a whole different crowd. I'm sorry just my opinion, but I think fans of other teams who post here regularly, or people just here to troll, or people who care more about being right then winning should be straight up banned. What a shitty culture this place has. Loser mentality all over this forum. Sad.

Look, as long as their future years to borrow from, then there is always money available for right now. There are unlimited future years so the cap is essentially unlimited. I'm glad our front office has figured that out. You do have to be smart about it or it will catch up to you at some point. It takes about 20+ years to kick it down the road so far that you can't afford to field a team, but if a team handles their borrowing from the future well, it can be done unlimitedly and indefinitely. We are nowhere near the point of where we need start worrying about reduced future cap. I'm in my 40s and it's very possible that it won't be an issue in my lifetime as long as they aren't restructuring everyone on the roster every year and adding voided years to every new contract.

Yeah took the Saints something like 15 years until their cap situation got out of control. Yes every couple decades you have get it back in check with a tear down. By time we get to the point the Saints are in, a lot of y'all old bitchy folks will be dead.

This place is so funny. All this talk about contracts and cap hits like that ish matters. (The salary cap is a myth. It's all about manipulation. Samir looks like he knows how to do that.)

Rhule can talk. He's a natural salesman Yeah put him on tv and he really will have tons of coaching options going forward. Only thing that could spoil that is if players are openly trashing him and which I doubt they will. By all appearances he has not lost the locker room. Those guys were still parroting him in the end of season conferences.

He straight up said he might not get it right the first time. He straight up said this might take a few tries. Sorry, that's brutally honest though.

Not saying be happy. Just saying if you keep the coach, no reason to kneecap him. Might as well fire him at that point and save a year. Don't think that's happening, so I don't think Tepper needs to play around in football operations by dictating what happens on the football side. I'm just against owners having in say so in draft picks, selections, players, etc. Hire and fire - that's as far as the owners extent should be.

So keep the coach but handicap him and set him up for failure. That's dumb AF. If Rhule isn't fired, Tepper isn't putting roadblocks in. That would be entirely counterproductive. Either fire the guy or keep your hands off the football side of the organization.

No

I generally agree with this sentiment, but look at the Lions with Matthew Stafford or the Texans with Watson. The QB matters tremendously but you also need a minimum level of competence in the coaching and front office as well. With an elite QB, you can skate by with average in the other areas.

Wait I just read a thread on here saying we were going with that RB coach since we did a 2nd interview. Are we getting two OC's or something????? I'm so confused from reading things on this forum!!!!11

How much is guaranteed exactly? Link to source if you don't mind, cause I've been trying to find that info and haven't been able to.

Is there a person in the NFL - coach, GM, or otherwise - that you should take entirely at face value? No. The answer is no. These guys aren't going to be 100% honest. Even within the organization, even players, there are politics at play. Everything in media pressers need to be taken with a grain of salt. Is any of this news to you?