frankw

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/223449-bryce-young’s-qbr-now-barely-higher-than-jamarcus-russell’s/

I know some Alabama fans and they are great people. I just feel the way I feel about this and if someone wants to say I'm being unreasonable then so be it. I still feel the way I feel. With Saban it's just arrogance and the perceived prestige that is brought along with the reputation of Alabama. Often time that team is quite literally men among boys. The league is seeing two of the current worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL thanks to Saban and the hype machine of Alabama. Yes we do indeed have utterly incompetent fools running our team but they were not the only ones who bought into the Bryce Young machine. The broader sports media also plays a substantial part in this. Generally any of Bryce Young's faults or concerns were minimized in the weeks before the draft while Stroud was under a microscope for every little thing including just being a QB from Ohio State even though as we now know he is the superior prospect in every way. In life we have to learn things the hard way sometimes. I definitely will look at the draft and the intricacies involved specifically with QB's and the evaluation process differently going forward now.

I don't think you are being consistent. You accuse others of ignorance but you are clearly burying your head in the sand because you've got blinders on to this particular subject. Not at all my friend. I hate it that my team has fallen into such a pit of despair. But the last thing I'm going to do in the midst of this mess is lie to myself about the things I'm seeing. Are there different issues happening? Absolutely. Do those issues also unequivocally revolve around the fact our #1 pick is looking unworthy of the trade we made and the pick we selected him with? Unfortunately yes. Does that mean I think he is for sure a bust at this very moment? I'm not in the full confirmation stage just yet. But the issue is his inadequacies that will hold him back from ever taking the next step cannot be changed. He is who he is phsyically. Wherever we go from here next season I would bring in legitimate competition at the QB position. Do not simply hand anyone anything. It must be earned.

Oh boy. You had to know the cope brigade would be licking their chops waiting to throw around the fact the Texans and Stroud got thumped. Rabble all you want about the "entire" football team. But generally the team goes as the QB goes. In the Cam years when he was on generally that translated to the rest of the team. When he wasn't the whole team looked deflated. With Bryce Young honestly I can't recall a time the team hasn't looked deflated. The one time the offense showed some true life was with Andy Dalton.

Dead last in YPA QBR and when accounting for the fact he has twice as many starts as the few QB's below him in passer rating he's basically around the same there too. But we just can't evaluate him!

Also now and forever it's fug Nick Saban and Alabama as far as I'm concerned. I can't believe people here thought an endorsement from that snake oil salesman was a sign we just picked a hall of famer. Yet the same folks thought the S2 was the new cheat code for a fast track to a rookie franchise QB. Stop buying into nonsense and just get back to drafting good football players.

@poundaway Are you alive out there? How you holding up? Be well 🫶

It's a depressing reality to face but it's not healthy to live in denial. Good on you for recognizing and accepting the circumstances. So much of this was discussed before the draft and when I say people wanted no parts of hearing about it I mean they were vicious. You couldn't suggest there were any flaws in Young as a prospect and if you did prepare for a poo storm. But apparently that's more than our front office did they didn't even consider any cons apparently. Just unforgivable incompetence.

Honestly. Mac Jones was a significantly better QB at Alabama than Bryce. And he is ass cheeks in the NFL. I feel like for Bryce Young to turn this around and have a hall of fame career he would have to be the ultimate outlier. Second only to Tom Brady.

Big props to Derrick. He plays with a great deal of heart. Best player on the team.

Absolutely. I do not want to see this team completely set back for the next 2-3 years minimum. I would be thrilled to see Young do a full 180. But I've seen enough bad QB play from this team over a few decades to know. 2 consistent long term starters in nearly 30 years of Panthers history says generally what you see is what you get. And certain people who did a full victory lap around the fact they broke the news of Bryce Young being the pick telling us they can't evaluate him is akin to an alcoholic telling people they don't have a drinking problem. Nothing but an eye roll from me.

That's mainly just about perceived self preservation on their part. They don't want to take a hardline stance arguing he could be teetering on the edge of being a bust in the event he magically just turns it on and looks the best out of all the QB's in his draft class class next year. Internet reputation is serious business.

The throw anyone and everyone else under the bus blame game some folks want to engage in will last the rest of the season. By midway next season this "it's impossible to evaluate him" stance will mean nothing. In this league you either show some kind of spark with what you've got to work with or you fizzle out.

When he hid and didn't throw at the combine that should have made Stroud the unanimous first choice for any competent front office that is looking for football players and not good dinner guests.

I've been quite disappointed with him. But Burns or no Burns the culture of this team is in the toilet and I can't blame anyone on the defense for being fed up with the pitiful lack of offensive output. Even when guys like Derrick Brown make big game changing plays they are rewarded with their efforts by a field goal if we're lucky.

If there is any confirmed interest I would guess it will only be used as leverage by Harbaugh to get someone else to pay him more.

You know it's bad when even the most unhinged Bryce Young fan hasn't been active in a month.

Whew buddy this is a trainwreck.

The usual people are in here pooing posts and spouting off about low IQ Panthers fans like skeptical fans on the huddle are the only ones seeing these issues.

I don't disagree. But eventually we are going to run out of coaches to sacrifice and start assessing the viability of our #1 pick. Which hot head coaching candidate in the offseason is going to risk their first and possibly only head coaching stint trying to win here with Young?

At one time in the second half it was 1.8 Yet there are people arguing he hasn't had a bad game. People are fully into the denial stage here.

Apparently instead of lowering the bar folks have simply removed it altogether.

Even as horrendous as Carr has been this game he's still gotten his team into the end zone.

And of course we are the worst team in the league.

Agreed. Appreciate the info.