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This explains your unprovoked Tinderbox post in the football thread. Tannehill is gutter trash.

The team now has an actual starting caliber, NFL offensive line CMC will be back with a capable Chuba backing him up as well as a bruising D'onta Foreman to punish defenders on runs between the tackles DJ Moore. Enough said. Terrace Marshall Jr, Tommy Tremble, and other young weapons are looking like they can be on the cusp of breaking out Yetur Gross-Matos looks like he might be ready to be an integral part of the starting defensive line while Matt Ioanidis is going to provide a better push to prevent QBs from stepping up to avoid Brian Burns. Jaycee Horn. Like DJ, enough said. The division is now without Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Sean Peyton, and Bruce Arians. Games against the Browns, Cardinals, 49ers, Rams, Bengals, Ravens, and Broncos give us a look at how the team would hold up in a postseason game should they string together enough Ws to build hope. And on the flip side, should the team be ass again, then web traffic will be decent still since ppl will be flocking to the boards to rage out.

Please bby jsus, find a way to keep any available QB that isn't JimmyG away from this team and only should Jimmy be okay with mentoring Corral.

Had high hopes for TMJ last season, and still do this season. Really like the pick up and hope that he gets more opportunities to show his value as a redzone target.

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Patty Mac. My grandparents are from West Virginia, so you can imagine that on Saturdays there would be a Mountaineers game on. He was also a big Peyton Manning fan, so when he told me, "Guess where that crazy sonuvabitch McAfee is going to?" I knew immediately that he was Indy bound. Love seeing him and his band of idiots still succeeding. Not everyday that people get the bag and then decide to share the love.

That's the part that worries me most about Baker tbh. Jimmy is well liked in the locker room, while Sam "is an okay dude." Baker, on the other hand, has documented issues with teammates. Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't look at that and chalk it up to "passion" that they feel was missing from the team. -_-

Got curious about a statistical comparison between Jimmy, Baker, and Sam so I went and checked out games where they had common opponents. All 3 QBs played against MIN last season. Sam shared two games with Baker (vs. HOU & NE) and two games with Jimmy (vs. PHI & ATL). Baker and Jimmy shared five opponents (vs. DET, GB, CHI, ARI, and CIN). vs. MIN Sam: 17/41 (41.5%) for 207yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 4 sacks, 55.6 rating, 4 rushes for 48yds, 1 fumble [L] Baker: 15/33 (45.5%) for 155yds, 3 sacks, 59.5 rating, 2 rushes for 11yds [W] Jimmy: 17/26 (65.4%) for 230yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 sacks, 90.2 rating, 3 rushes for 0yds [W Pretty straight forward here. Sam and Baker had similar outings, though Sam was better on the ground but couldn't come away with the W. Jimmy was clearly the better passer of the three. Not much info gleamed from this other than Jimmy is likely the better QB (hint: he is). Since Sam and Baker had similar performances, let's see if that holds true against the other two opponents that they shared. We might even be able to see slight differences between the two. vs. HOU Sam: 23/34 (67.7%) for 304yds, 3 sacks, 95.7 rating, 8 rushes for 11yds, 2 TDs, 2 fumbles [W] Baker: 19/21 (90.5%) for 213yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 sacks, 105.0 rating, 8 rushes for 10 yds, 1 TD, 1 fumble [W] Looks like both had themselves good days against a gutted Texans squad. Baker was the more accurate while Sam had the higher yardage. Kind of a push here imo for who had the better game statistically. If Houston wasn't such a dumpster fire last season this could've been worth watching to see the difference in play. vs. NE Sam: 16/33 (48.5%) for 172yds, 3 INTs, 1 sack, 26.3 rating, 3 rushes for 9yds, 1 fumble [L] Baker: 11/21 (52.4%) for 73yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 2 sacks, 56.2 rating, 1 fumble [L] Looks like both have themselves bad days against a Mac Jones-led Patriots squad. Baker again seems to be the more accurate while Sam has better yardage, leading me to wonder if Baker is looking short while Sam is holding on too long (we already know that he is, so that's already leading me to believe that it's likely the case for Baker looking short). Both are pretty consistent with fumbling the ball as well it looks... Is that due to protection for Baker though? What about Sam and Jimmy? Is there a big difference between their performances against the same teams? vs. PHI Sam: 21/37 (56.8%) for 177yds, 1 TD, 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 44.5 rating, 2 rushes for 10 yds [L] Jimmy: 22/30 (73.3%) for 189yds, 1 TD, 100.6 rating, 11 rushes for 20yds, 1 TD, 1 fumble [W] Big difference in completion percentage, QB rating, and turnovers. Jimmy surprisingly also had more rushing yards, and less surprisingly the win while Sam struggled tremendously. Where Baker was more accurate with less yardage, Jimmy has better accuracy with similar yardage. vs. ATL Sam: 13/24 (54.2%) for 129yds, 69.6 rating, 8 rushes for 66yds [W] Jimmy: 18/23 (78.3%) for 235yds, 1 TD, 123.7 rating, 3 rushes for 4 yards, 1 fumble [W] Yet another massive difference in completion percentage and QB rating. Sam's feet made plays for him, but Jimmy's yardage was also better as well. Jimmy and Baker shared the most opponents between the QBs though, having the same six teams on their schedules for 2021-2022. One of those was the aforementioned Vikings game that we've already seen the breakdown for. The other games were against the Lions, Packers, Bears, Cardinals, and Bengals. Since Baker and Sam performed similarly in the three games that they shared (vs. the Vikings, Texans, and Patriots), will the comparison between Baker and Jimmy look similar to Sam and Jimmy? Only one way to find out. vs. DET Baker: 15/29 (51.7%) for 176yds, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 1 sack, 53.2 rating, 4 rushes for 9yds [W] Jimmy: 17/25 (68.0%) for 314yds, 1 TD, 1 sack, 124.2 rating, 3 rushes for 2 yds, 1 fumble [W] Jimmy once again showing a better completion percentage and QB rating. His yardage was also nearly double Baker's with only two more completions. With how poorly the Browns' offensive line protected Baker this past season, I'm starting to wonder if him looking short is because his line has him under constant duress similar to how Sam's rushing numbers come from his OL not protecting him long enough to set and throw it. vs. GB Baker: 21/36 (58.3%) for 222yds, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 5 sacks, 55.3 rating, 2 rushes for 11 yds [L] Jimmy: 25/40 (62.5%) for 257yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 4 sacks, 87.2 rating, 1 rush for 4 yards, 1 fumble [L] Much closer performances here with similar outcomes. The difference here seems to be Baker's turnovers, though both QBs were getting hounded it looks. vs. CHI Baker: 19/31 (61.3%) for 246yds, 1 TD, 5 sacks, 97.0 rating, 4 rushes for 31yds [W] Jimmy: 17/28 (60.7%) for 322yds, 100.6 rating, 5 rushes for 4yds, 2 TD [W] This was one of only two games where Jimmy's accuracy wasn't better than the other QB's, but he did throw for more yards. Baker still put up nearly 250yds, 1 TD, and a 97.0 QB rating despite getting sacked five times. vs. ARI Baker: 19/28 (67.9%) for 234yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 5 sacks, 102.4, 3 rushes for 8 yds, 2 fumbles [L] Jimmy: 28/40 (70.0%) for 326yds, 2 TDs, 1 INT, 5 sacks, 100.6 rating, 1 rush for 3yds [L] Similar performances yet again with the same story: Jimmy getting more yardage. Baker once again suffering from another five sack game, though Jimmy got his ass beat pretty good too against that Cardinals pass rush. vs. CIN Baker: 14/21 (66.7%) for 218yds, 2 TDs, 2 sacks, 132.6 rating [W] Jimmy: 27/41 (65.9%) for 296yds, 2 TDs, 5 sacks, 103.3 rating, 1 rush for 3yds, 1 fumble [W] Baker once again beats out Jimmy in terms of completion percentage, but Jimmy has more production out of his throws. Baker surprisingly didn't take as many sacks as Jimmy did, which was a rare change of pace for him. With the data shown, it might be fair to say that Sam is the best runner of the three but he's also the worst passer by far. Jimmy is the better QB overall. Baker is accurate, but doesn't push the ball downfield. His "boom" factor, however, is much higher than Darnold's. I can see Baker being the more attractive option for the Panthers if they're able to offload Sam Darnold as well, but Jimmy looks like he's the better option from last season's performances. The Panthers are going to have to protect Baker better than the Browns did though while still giving him a punishing run game to lean on. When he's had those opportunities, he's looked as good if not slightly better than Jimmy. It'll be interesting to see how things unfold.

Not sure what the purpose of securing Baker would be other than getting rid of Darnold. Is Baker that much better of a mentor to Corral than Garoppolo and Darnold? Does the team believe that they can push for the playoffs this season if it's Baker at the helm? So many questions.

Whataboutism is a horrible fallacy that folks use in an attempt to justify their toxicity. At this point, we just have a bunch of middle-aged divorcees on a message board showing why their ex-wives left them and took the dogs.

Unfortunately, Jerry Richardson wasn't going to do any cash over cap magic.

Because most of the NFL gives their vets the first day of minicamp off. Only the Huddle cries about Rhule doing the same thing.

Jimmy G to mentor and eventually back-up Corral is a win Jimmy/Sam/Matt would be a crowded af QB room BUT it would look much better than what's been trotted out the last few seasons under Rhule.

To be fair, they would still be an upgrade over Elflein/Miller if that's the case.

Excellent listen. I'm going to have to go through it a few times to really digest everything, and that's after already having what I thought was a decent enough grasp of the salary cap to understand some of the little tricks that go on. With the way that the system currently works, having Tepper as an owner instead of Richardson definitely helps the team should he be willing to cough up the cash in order to stay under the cap.

Says a lot about the state of the Huddle that folks would rather ask why Corral can't help rather than getting behind a good cause themselves to help a family in need. If this had been 7 - 8 years ago, that donation goal would have already been hit thanks to the collective efforts of Panthers fans. What a sad, sad decline.

Can't wait to make all of the Chiefs, Chargers, Bills, and Rams players ragequit anyways when I 21-skunk em

I think that's the rub right there. Most folks look at 1st round picks and think that they have to be elite players when in actuality, their draft status had more to do with their ceiling + ability to come in and immediately start (not saying that's the case with you btw, just what I see generally). Only a few kids will go into the NFL and immediately compete with the grown men whose families rely on them to provide. There's also the emphasis on banking on players to be "elite" that creates further discontent. For example, the 15+ sacks threshold. Let's look at just how many players have achieved that in the last few seasons: 2021: TJ Watt, Robert Quinn, Myles Garrett, Nick Bosa 2020: TJ Watt 2019: Shaquil Barrett, Chandler Jones, Cameron Jordan 2018: Aaron Donald, JJ Watt, Chris Jones Over the last four seasons, only ten individual players have broken 15 sacks. Hoping that our players achieve elite status is one thing, but expecting them to? That seems like it would just set us up to be disappointed most of the time. It's also worth mentioning that TJ Watt and Shaquil Barrett were the only two players on rookie contracts to do so out of the 10 players listed. Both Brown and Burns are solid, and while I'd love for them to do better on the stat sheets as well, that likely isn't happening until the play around them is elevated as well. Somewhat related note: holy poo does it suck to play OT for the Ravens in a division with TJ Watt, Myles Garrett, and Trey Hendrickson coming at you for 80 snaps. Then there's Jadaveon Clowney, Chase Winovich, and Sam Hubbard to deal with as well.

Fitzmagic did it for the memes, and I will always love him for that.

Dude is basically the unsung hero of the DL. Whatever he thinks is going to elevate his game, I'm here for it.

I think that Brandon Smith might make some plays

Why would the team want that? Can't help but think that trying to get a player who's play fits the pay rather than a player who's play exceeds the pay is a bit shortsighted.

Doing fairly well tyty Studying for certifications, son just finished up his first season of soccer, wife is on the other side of a mental health episode that had her down and out the last few weeks, and I'll be heading out of town to an event next week (that I was just added to the staff for!). I've had to cut down tremendously on getting my Panthers fix here, unfortunately. It is not worth attempting to research and create discussion threads anymore (which was what originally brought me to the Huddle). Now, threads are dominated by toxic regulars who go out of their way to repeat the same tired rhetoric in every thread without ever actually contributing to the discussion. It wouldn't be so bad if mods weren't also discouraging discussion by doing the same thing. Hopefully the team finds a way to start winning and we can go back to hating the mainstream sports media instead of ourselves + each other.

Yo, Jimmy G mentoring Corral for a year? Yes pls

Ioannidis is an upgrade from Jones. YGM is coming into his 3rd year and looks to be more than a competent replacement for Fox. Burns and Brown are solid. LB-wise, Littleton is better than what was rolled out last year at MLB. Shaq is that dude. Luvu backed up Reddick well. The loss of Reddick sucks, but there are upgrades everywhere else. Woods will also allow Chinn to play down in the box more.