MartyClemons

There’s a ton of QB prospects in this draft. No need to risk overpaying BY and be stuck with a bad contract. When guys like Mensah will be available next year.

This is a weird post since it wasn’t like we got A’s across the board. We needed a QB and got a consensus top 2 player at that position. (I was pretty vocal that Stroud should’ve been the guy but…) I think this draft we generally got better value. I’m not particularly optimistic on BY but another year in this offense playing with TMac he really needs to be a consistently average QB at a minimum

This is true. And instead of getting too focused on that. Sometimes you’re better off just drafting the best players. Instead of forcing a position. We took the best guys available and bet on that players were dropping that also filled positions of need. Guys like Hecht, Wheatley, Brazzell were guys who could’ve gone higher, but fell for whatever reason and also filled needs by not getting too desperate

Eh. Don’t hate prospect, but there were guys I liked more available

You have a 30 year old guard coming off a season ending injury making 25milllion a year who could be released and the $ used elsewhere to shore up other positions while getting a guy whose regarded right up there with Nelson as far as G prospects historically

Ioane wouldn’t be a depth piece lol

You get arguably a top 10 prospect in the draft at 19 and a top 30-40 prospect in the 50s and you guys complain. smh

Your draft plan shouldn’t be based solely on whether they’re starting day 1 cause frankly most rookies aren’t big impact players on day 1 anyway.

I don’t want to give OP too much crap. My counter point would be that most of those positions we absolutely take if we felt the BPA was there. We’d 100% draft Mendoza. QB isn’t in play because no one thinks Simpson will be BPA. RB Isn’t in play because Love will be gone and everyone else is a R2 prospect No C is in play for R1. OT and G are interesting. Not sure Ioane will be there. Some have him as a top 10 prospect, others not as much. At OT I think Mauigoa would be the pick but will be gone. Not sure how Freeling or Fano are viewed. again tho Edge isn’t in contention because the ones worth drafting will be gone. At CB I think we’d consider Delane as BPA if he slipped.

I actually think we’re on the few teams I’d consider for drafting Faulk. His lack of pass rushing productivity gives me reservations for a 4-3 edge. I’ve heard draft guys say some of it was scheme n his job to occupy blockers to free up LBs or whatever. But he hasn’t shown me enough to be a first round edge as a pass rusher. Buts he’s 6’6 280 with long arms and stout against the run. And he’s young and could add size. Think there’s room for him to be a strong fit in an odd front. Not sure he’s my first choice. But I wouldn’t hate it.

I’m not sure I love it considering he has 12 sacks over the last 3 years. But if he hits he could really transform the defense

As a Miami fan… idk that I’m in on Mesidor this high. I view him as more of an end in a traditional 4 man front. He did play standing up a lot at Miami. But he leaves a little to be desired imo.

Making blanket statements about trading up or down are kinda meaningless in a vacuum. Sonny Styles is a great prospect. IMO he probably goes top 5. We’d have to give up basically a whole draft worth of pics to get there for a line backer on a team that lacks talent and I wouldn’t love that. I doubt he falls past 7. But in the chance he does. I’d absolutely be thrilled to trade up for him. It just depends on the price But tbh. I like CJ Allen. I think a guy like that could upgrade our LB room and defense overall. And I think someone falls. maybe it’s Sadiq as weapon of a TE. Maybe it’s one of the top 3 WRs. Maybe Delane or McCoy fall There’s going to be good football players where we’re at imo

Bain/Brown would be tough. Rotating in the other guys as well

Don’t think Bain is there at 11. But he’s arguably a top 5 prospect.

I mean I said I expected this a few weeks ago. Oh well. We draft Arvell Reese and pair him with Brown create a top tier D

I mean yeah because there’s upside. By year 3 we realize BY has limited upside. I felt like the point was pretty straightforward. If the expectation is for Canales or Morgan to win next year with their job on the line. I think it’s hard to target quarterbacks in the draft. Because very few rookies are good football players right away. It’s a position that needs some patience. If we’re going to look at QB, which I think we might be in a position to draft, I think we need be willing to have some patience that we’re probably going to not be very good that first year.

My only question is going forward with QB. We have a shot at Ty Simpson, Moore, Sellers or whoever. As a franchise… and a fanbase are we ready to accept that our QB probably will struggle again next year. Cause Ward and Dart have been bad as rookies. The year before Daniel’s played great… but Williams, Maye struggled as rookies and we haven’t seen enough of Penix or JJ to really judge. I do think it’s an awkward spot to put your GM/HC on a make it or break it year and then expect them to roll out with a rookie QB

Canales may or may not be the answer. I don’t think last year stuck with Young and an all time bad defense in terms of talent are enough to judge him. Even this year I felt like with Young as our QB and lack of talent I wasn’t sure what people expect. This could change a bit tho. Brown is obviously a beast. A’Shawn played well too. And if Scourton can provide a consistent pass rush I feel like our defense becomes a lot more formidable I’ll reserve judgement til after the season on him

I echoed most of what you said earlier this week. The only thing I will say in defense of Morgan… he seems to have nailed this draft. Tet and Scourton I think are legit. Ransom could be a real piece too.

We’ve consistently had one of the least talented rosters for a few years now. You would think having a lack of quality starters in our roster would lead to cap room and the ability to sign some at some point. Especially with a QB on a rookie contract. But outside of improving our OLine, we lack starters all over. Just a complete failure in free agency. I like what little I’ve seen of Dante Moore. If we move on from Evero Rueben Bain has dominated these first 4 games. Could do worse than him and Brown leading our DLine with Scourton/Princely as pass rushers

This is not a good team. Idk what people expect. I’m on the fence whether Canales is a competent coach but I’m certain firing Canales won’t fix it this year

Nobody is ignoring it. It’s just we’ve invested all our resources into drafting Young, finding him weapons, and signing offensive linemen. We’ve had one of the least talented defenses in the league and an offense who keeps giving the ball away or going 3 and out. Whether Evero is a good coach or not…. He’s certainly more capable than what he’s shown here.

Yeah… the top of the QB draft class isn’t looking great. Seems Sellers is at the top of most boards. But he’s completed 11 and 12 passes on his first two games. Idk if he is an nfl level passer. Maybe Nuss cuts back on some of the silly plays this year. It’s still early, Beck is off to a good start in Miami. Maybe Dante Moore at Oregon shows QB1 talent. So guys could emerge. But I also wouldn’t be mad if we ended up with an Anthony Hill, Bain/Faulk, or a Caleb Downs type on defense.

At least Jamarcus has the excuse of being high out his mind for his bad play