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One day, all the fans in here will realize QB is still absolutely our biggest weakness.

True, OL is huge and style fits and things do change. I mean Hubbard looks a lot different from last year. He was an animal last year and he’s tentative this year.

I completely missed on Dowdle. My fault for assuming a move Dallas made was correct. That said, no one saw Dowdle being a top RB in the NFL with only a few starts and no one predicted Dowdle would push Hubbard to the bench by clearly outplaying him.

Mike Shula.

Hubbard has always just been OK talent wise but he played hard. For the past two years, just actually giving a poo and trying hard every play made you a fan favorite and a standout. This team was truly just that bad. I don't know if you ever saw the offseason RB drills in CMC’s last year when Chuba was his backup, but CMC made Chuba and the other RBs look bad. It was clear how much more talented CMC was and obviously that’s silly to say but Rico vs. Chuba looks similar right now. Chuba is a JAG who got a lot of touches with a decent run blocking unit. Unless Brooks actually shows something, the best bet might be to sign Rico and see if Chuba is willing to stay as the backup for cheaper. If he’s not, get something for him, sign Rico and draft another RB to compete with Brooks and Etienne.

Exactly what I think. He’s not the guy. This is year 3 and Canales is still coaching around him. With the way the D and Rico played, good QB play wins this game by 2 TDs. I’d love to see this team with a better QB. It’s sad to think we picked the wrong year to go QB hunting and trading away every asset we had. The #1 overall pick we gave away was the QB draft class we should have jumped all over.

The NFC is all over the place this year. The Lions just lost to a QB that’s been out almost all season and are now 5-3. They are also very questionable in their offensive play calling. In no way shape or form should David Montgomery fumble and still get several more touches than Gibbs. That’s Chuba over Rico type stuff and they were supposed to be SB contenders.

Again, why XL?

I don’t get it. Why are the most important pass plays going to XL?

When I watched the replay I will say that I saw the same thing. He didn’t fight through the contact. I don’t think he could get to it but his lack of football IQ came into play a bit. If he fights inside, he might draw a flag. It was a bad throw by Young, but it looked like the CB on him was not looking back. He’s got to learn how to draw a flag to save his QB because Young does that stuff. Also, that play has worked once and it was likely a lucky perfect pass. Can we stop going to XL on that play? Even on that TD he was well covered. It’s a terrible play that doesn’t work.

I didn’t realize the quick video can pickup a flag. I understand when the refs on the field can pickup a penalty after discussing but I haven’t seen that video review undo other bad penalties. There was no ref huddle on that.

Exactly, they chose Tua instead of Herbert. Not an indictment of tanking, that’s like us not tanking and getting a 2nd for Burns and trading away our future for Young. If we had actually tanked and trade Moore and Burns early, we’d be a much more talented team. Even more so if we dumped Fitterer et al with Rhule.

Ravens could have piled it on if they wanted to but they basically hit the brakes in the 3rd. The funny part is that the Dolphins missed a 35 yard FG, had a turnover in the red zone and didn’t get a 4th and 2 in the red zone. They also had a BS tripping call on a pass that wiped out a Waddle reception to the Baltimore 7 yard line. 28-18 if they just got FGs on those red zone drives/aborted drives. Some better play calls and it could have easily been a game. Again, I think the Ravens could have scored more if needed, but the Dolphins (and refs) blew a lot of scoring opportunities last night.

Exactly who I was thinking about. He’d be a helluva RB for them. If I’m the Chiefs GM, I’m on the horn already. Late 2nd rounder to give Patty the angry RB that Pacheco and Hubt just aren’t anymore? Heck yeah. Nobody has shown that they are unbeatable so KC can absolutely risk it.

Yep, guess who we could have had: JSN*, Jared Verse (nice edge option) and 2025 pick 46 and Atlanta’s 2026 1st * just a wish but the 2023 2nd was pick 36 and that and Mingo’s pick was enough to jump to 20 and take a much better WR. We obviously wanted a WR since we took Mingo.

I’m not talking about when they started to do some CYA. The quote was about Frank and Fitterer being in lock step. That was said in press conferences right after the draft and before mini-camps. The other guy gave me a huge post on why Reich is awesome. He’s doing exactly what I mentioned for the excuses. Bottom line is that, yes, I believe there’s more truth to those early press conferences than to current day gut feelings and post-Reich/Fitterer firing rants trying to CYA. Could it all have been lies? Sure, but nothing has actually come out proving it. Believe me and I promise don’t hold as much weight as actual spoken words after the draft/before Young snapped a ball as a Panther. Again, look at the PG poo. To this day, people still think Tepper in May saying PG means that Tepper made the pick himself even though the OC discussed QBs as PGs with a team reporter 3 months before Tepper regurgitated a snippet of that.

Why lie? At that point Young hadn’t played at all for us. It’s funny that people won’t believe the story we heard at 0% hot seat. They would rather believe what another huddle says he feels with 0 actual proof.

Frank was there when Fitterer went on about it and yes, I believe what the GM says during a post draft interview when Young hadn’t been to a single practice yet. I typically believe what is actually said versus a gut feeling from a huddler. Same reason why I never believed Tepper did the scouting and came up with the point guard thing. Thomas Brown, the OC, was quoted about QBs as PGs 3 months prior which makes it far more probable that Tepper parroted what he heard from the coaches. Also at that point, Fitterer, who I never liked, had no reason to make excuses. We had the QB he so wanted and that everyone did. No reason to make anything up because Fitterer was also pretty well liked by the optimists in here. Back then, they were telling us why Burns shouldn’t have been traded. I still think Tepper sucks because it’s all been his hires so he’s to blame but man people can’t seem to get off the boogeyman, one guy did it all, thought process.

You are? Fitterer kept telling the story about how they were 100% in line. He said they wrote down who they liked before and after the draft prep and they both agreed. Fitterer also talked about how he had his eye on Young during his sophomore year, which makes it even more puzzling that he didn’t trade Burns to make sure he could get Young in the next draft. Reich got a lot of excuses in here about Young because so many people loved the hire, but there was a lot of pre-draft discussions about GM and HC being in agreement. Heck, the point guard analogy came from Thomas Brown in February and Tepper still gets blamed for parroting what the coaches were invariably saying. Tepper has sucked because it’s his team but man does he get a lot of blame for decisions the football people said they made. I guess Rhule was enough of a personality that people focused on him but Frank and Scott got passes and Tepper was an easy target. It allowed the Fitterer and Reich fans to not feel as bad that they were wrong.

That OL was just awful to watch. Add in the drops on some potential nice gainers and that offense is terrible.

Definitely ugly and I’m glad we won, period. That said, when an 0-6 team that benched its QB has a chance to tie the game at the end, it just feels too close. It’s nice to see the studs play well and others step up but I’m definitely worried about the upcoming schedule.

Lol. One very under thrown ball that Legette played well means Dalton is good? I’m sorry but 1 first downs He’s from Dalton is basically why we as Panthers fans were still legitimately worried that we didn’t put away that terrible Jets team. Sauce Gardner didn’t even play a down after Young went to the locker room.

I hope it means something but it’s nice to see.

He’s so bad. He used to be OK but that was years ago.

I hope not but there was no reason for the throw to be that low.