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Yep, came a few years after we wasted a pick on a K, who’s been a stud in KC, to “not” replace a very expensive K, that we got rid of anyway, only to finally get another K as an UDFA 8 years later. We don’t learn that fast. Heck, Zavala is the only OL we’ve drafted in 3 years and that’s why the OL isn’t as solid anymore and one bad injury and we’re right back at the beginning.

People say that every time.

Sorry guys, we see these all the time and almost every time nothing happens in terms of actual jail time. Maybe a suspension, but he’ll play again.

He and his agent know we aren’t giving him big money now and there’s nothing to really negotiate as an ERFA and RFA the next two years. It’s on Coker to stay healthy and be someone we extend in 2027. The extension years will really start in 2028 but he’ll get bonus when he signs. He could also play the RFA year out fully and hit the market as an UFA in 2028. Panthers will still get cheap year in 2027 even with extension.

SMH. He’s basically under a 2 year fixed deal with us. The only way out of that is if another team gives us a 1st round pick in 2027. There is absolutely no rush needed. Wait till 2027, tag him as a RFA and then give him an extension for 2028+ if he’s still worth it.

We also had a GM who was the right hand of the former GM (Hurney 2.0 was the same) that was allergic to drafting IOL and OL in general. Brooks was a stupid pick for a couple of reasons. Better players at more needed positions and his injury putting him at barely contributing in 2024 when the 2025 RB class was stacked. Having a stud C for Bryce’s career was far more important than reaching for a RB who probably was a 3rd/4th rounder in 2025 due to the injury risk.

It’s not really hardball. Teams do the same with the fifth year. If Coker is invaluable and a solid WR, we’ll give him an extension with a signing bonus (for the immediate money) but the extension usually starts after/includes the RFA year.

There isn’t even negotiating. The tender amounts from ERFA and RFA are present, like the 5th year option or franchise tag. This discussion is kind of pointless right now.

There is no 3 for 30 this year. Sitting out could ruin his career. If he plays lights out this year, the agent might be able to get 4 for 60 next year.

He won’t get a new contract this year. It will likely be before his 4th year. Panthers can use the RFA for a cheap year in 2027 and then give him a 3-4 year extension for 2028-2030/2031. All assuming he has a solid year in 2026 and we want to extend him. There’s just 0 reason for Panthers to do anything different as worst case is you get him for 2 more cheap years or for 1 more cheap year and a 1st round pick.

It’s clear. If you sit out and don’t accrue you go into the next season at the same level almost like the sit out year never happened. There’s no loophole to UFA after two accrued seasons.

Which is why he’s a Panther for 2 more years at a fixed price with not much he can do.

Right because the CBA doesn’t have loopholes like that. It’s why people who sit out always come back to make sure the get the accrued year otherwise they are right back where they started. An ERFA can’t afford to miss most of the year as they are trying to look good for an extension.

If you sit out a year and don’t have 3 years accrued you are an ERFA again. It’s that simple. There’s no way there’s a loophole that you are an UFA after 2 years accrued and you skip RFA year when you have 3 accrued seasons.

WTF? You think that he hold out and gets unrestricted FA because he hasn’t accrued 3 seasons. What are you smoking? If he holds out in 2026, he’s likely an ERFA in 2027 and an RFA in 2028. Basically loses a whole year of pay. Please point to any example of a guy holding out as an ERFA that got to skip RFA.

He’d get a much bigger number if he puts together a bigger year in 2026. He’s locked in right now and the only way he gets a bag is by proving himself. He’s got 800 yards in 2 years. He’s under contract with us for 2 more. Do you think his agent is telling him now’s the time to get an extension averaging 30-400-3TDs a year? He was an UDFA, he’ll get what we offer and build up his stats so he can get a much bigger extension in a year or two instead of a crap extension locking him in cheap for 3-4 more years.

Lose him in 2027? That’s not happening. He’s locked into an ERFA for 2026 and he’s a RFA in 2027. For $7M or so we tender him as a 1st rounder. Is anyone giving up their 1st for Coker after 1 more year with Young? There’s no sitting out for two years. We can think about the extension after 2026 and we still take advantage of the RFA year and extend him beyond that.

Does Coker want his deal yet? We could use his ERFA and RFA years to our favor but all give him some extension years. Problem is that he isn’t getting top WR dollars because he isn’t there yet. If he believes he can be that guy, it might actually be better to play cheaper this year and get the big $$$s after he’s shown more the next two years.

Go read some of the Senior Bowl info. They specifically called out a few centers including a G (from Duke?, don’t remember) who looked decent working at C. Seems like some day 2/early day 3 talent.

Stick with day 2. Seems to me that first round centers don’t hit as much as taking the top Cs in round 2. Usually some combine great number(s) is the case and the 1st round C is over-drafted. We could have drafted McCoy, Humphrey or Frazier in the 2nd in the past several drafts over the crap we did take. Seems like that opportunity is every couple years and it’s been a couple years since Frazier. Not sure what the draft class for Cs looks like but I’d be happy with a C on day 2 if there are talented guys available. I don’t think it’ll be hard to upgrade C with a solid prospect.

If you knew he would be Jefferson/JSN level, of course you take him.

That doesn’t change, ever. You don’t get smarter IQ wise, you just don’t. It was a stupid, risky pick and he was old and only had one good year. You don’t take that risk when you have stud Cs and CBs just sitting there. Then again we decided a RB coming off a late ACL was worth a 2nd the year before a huge RB draft class. XL is turning 25 this year, if he’s not smart enough, what does another year buy you? Just the playoff run with a healthy Coker and TMac’s rookie year were enough to show that XL isn’t in the same ballpark as those 2.

From Hurney 2.0 through Morgan has been an OL drafting fiasco. Morgan’s first draft alone saw us take Legette/Brooks instead with Zack Frazier just waiting but he kind of learned under Fitterer when we took TMJ over Humphrey and later in that draft took a long snapper over Trey Smith. For good knows why, we’ve been taking risky bad value day 2 picks when IOL and LB picks on day 2 are great value picks because the top prospects at those positions don’t usually go day 1.

Remember when everyone said BC was going to leave on a huge deal? Same situation IMHo where Panthers fans think our player is way better than they are. I would be shocked to see Mays get some huge deal. The lack of good FAs might help but he’s not that good.

The defense improved night and day from 2024 to 2025. Amazing job by the staff. You can and please do quote me on that.