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I don’t mean to be mean, but using an example of a team that had talent all around an interception machine and they just happened to sign the goat QB? I guess our strategy should be to build up a solid team over the next decade around a bad QB and hope Mahomes wants to leave KC to prove a point.

They both took QBs in the 1st round. They weren’t developing mid round QBs or lol, Cooper Rush. Also, Penix has don’t anything yet. Love is in his 5th year in the league and he’s only 1.5 years older than Penix. Penix <> Love just from the fact that he was 3 years older when drafted. Sitting a 24 year old rookie shouldn’t happen. Sitting a 21 year old rookie can make sense.

Tepper came from years of success with Big Ben. I think he’s the nerd that’s happy to be part of the cool kids but it was Fitterer who thought he could repeat Seattle’s success with Wilson. Fitterer was like 95% wrong with all his decisions and he made some seriously bad calls that have crushed the team for years after he was fired. That’s how bad a GM he was. I look at the point guard thing. Tepper isn’t some super duper college athlete. Thomas Brown started the point guard stuff and Tepper ran with it cause it sounded cool. I don’t think Tepper likes failure and is quick to try and fix it, hence he didn’t block Canales from benching Young. Tepper’s not dumb enough to not see Young is the main problem.

I’d bet you’re wrong. I’m tired of defending Tepper because he hired shitty guys. Who do you really think fell in love with Young? The guy who came from Seattle and saw success with a small QB in Wilson or the minority owner in Pittsburgh who saw success with Bradshaw (big for 1970) and Roethlisberger? Maybe Tepper liked Young as well but damn, the cause of our talent problems is likely the guy who came from success with a small QB and made bad call after bad call and fit the mold of a guy who seemed to go rogue and picked more project type guys.

You got it. I’m not defending Tepper because he kept Marty, hired Rhule, hired Fitterer, kept Fitterer too long, hired Reich and maybe more. He's been terrible but how can you not look at all the bad moves and think the Tepper’s forced Young to be taken. He didn’t stop Canales from benching Young after week 2 when the same people said that Canales was forced to use Young and had no say on who was starting. It’s the sound bites that people hang on to and the need for one single point of failure/boogeyman. Nicole hugs Young becomes Nicole made the call on Young. No one keeps bringing up that Stroud called Nicole Mama Tepp. Tepper regurgitated the point guard analogy in April around the draft but no one mentions that Thomas Brown discussed the point guard analogy with Panthers media in February. Fitterer and Reich say they are in lock step and said both preferred Young before and after their draft prep and Fitterer says he liked Young the best when he was evaluating for the 2022 draft, but somehow Tepper forced the Young call. Objectively, if you want a single point of failure, go with the guy who said he loved Young and wanted him for a couple years. The rest of his 3 years of awful GMing kind of point to the fact that he sucked balls and he came from success with a smaller QB. Tepper came from Pittsburgh where they had big QBs in Bradshaw (6’3” 215 in 1970) and Big Ben.

No kidding. No actual person who’s watched us play would be surprised and “sources” is literally meaningless. We see that every year with the draft where we had “sources” saying we were drafting AR, Stroud, Young and even Levis. These news outlets can basically say anything they want without have true/real sources versus Bob from Boise saying he heard something.

I want the top pick again. I just want the idiots in charge to not pick a midget because our GMs came from Seattle and fell in love with a guy they thought could be Russell Wilson instead of the guy who could make all the throws and played well against top college Ds with tons of day 1/day 2 talent. Look at Indy and Tennessee. I’m not really sure their QBs will amount to much even if I’d rather take a chance with them over Young. Those two teams had no chance at Stroud. We did.

Where they are is a lot better off than us. They could decide to trade up and get a QB to replace Tua if he retires. I’d kill to be in Miami’s situation right now. If they had taken Herbert instead of Tua, things might be interesting and that’s what a top pick does for you. We had our chance in last year’s draft and we screwed it up and it was made far worse because we didn’t really tank in 2022 so we doubled down on bad decisions. Stroud may never win a SB. Does that mean that Houston shouldn’t have traded away Watson for picks? Luck never won a SB, was Indy wrong for tanking with Curtis Painter while Peyton was out for the year? When Brady and Mahomes have won 6 of the last 10 SBs, there aren’t a lot of examples to work with here.

If we can’t ever pick the right guy we might as well stop being fans. You guys are saying that Dalton now has you interested to watch the rest of the season but you don’t care what pick we get because we won’t ever pick the right guy? That makes no sense. I want the best pick we can get because I don’t want the next Stroud going to the Giants because they might be able to pick the right guy. You guys may be happy to have Dalton or other old vets going 5-12 but that’s not what I’m here for. I’m here for our next Cam, 4 out of 5 playoffs and a chance to win a SB.

Dear lord, this is still the most misunderstood topic. Tanking has never been players or coaches. That’s call point shaving. The Dolphins were a marquee example of tanking they traded away their best players in Tunsil, Fitzpatrick and others. They got to multiple playoff years with all the talent they acquired with all the picks and cap space (like trading for Hill and paying him). We had the chance to tank in 2022 and screwed it up royally and we are in the dumpster for it. We should have traded Moore for GB’s 1st (pick 15 or 16), Burns for the Rams 2 1sts and 2nd and anyone else with a pulse. Instead we just traded CMC to get a 2nd, which was thrown into Young deal, and some late poo and had enough talent for Wilks to get us pick 9. The rest is history. Again, tanking happens in all sports. That’s were you trade your assets that won’t really help your middling team for future draft picks. We decided to FAFO buy trading our best assets for poo. 2-15 teams should be tanking not giving up pick 1 in 2024 and pick 33 in 2025 while also trading their best 3 players for 1 2nd.

I’m aware and maybe I like the draft more than most, probably because we’ve been picking top 10 for a while now and we have been getting worse. All the human beings on this team would be fine if we had Stroud instead of Young and if we get a franchise QB in the next two drafts the culture will magically improve. Wins change culture. Ron still lost the team at the end of 2018 and 2019 with our top culture guys still on the team. Maybe it’s just me but watching this team go 3-14 instead of 1-16 doesn’t excite me that much. What excites me is that maybe we get that stud QB we desperately need. Young would sting a shitload less if we didn’t also give up the chance at Williams, Daniels or Maye or picking 9th. Also, not having a chance at Stroud if we didn’t trade up are the things that bother me more.

You guys got your wish but please post when you stop watching again. We might score some more but that just means teams may not take the foot off the gas like we’ve seen so far.

Honestly, as others have said, I’d bet they were on the same page. There’s no one making excuses for Young at this point and I think they both agreed that they need to bench Young and that he’s not the long term answer/let’s move on.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree. The IOL wasn’t a mess in preseason and there was a lot of discussion that Iky was having isolated struggles. I think you are trying to rewrite Iky’s history and blame it on Young. There was a ton of worry in the preseason and there was a ton of talk that he completely regressed and that was all before the revolving door of IOL. I’m glad he’s playing better but he looked terrible last year and it was apparent in his 1 on 1 situations where he just needed to block people and didn’t.

Give up? Dalton doesn’t give us a chance at the playoffs. This season’s already over. We've missed out on Herbert and SF giving us the farm for Lance and we also dropped down enough that we had to give up the farm for Young. We royally screwed up 4 of the last 5 drafts due to meaningless wins. Our QB and talent level could have been solved even without taking the farm from the Rams for Burns, if we just lost some meaningless games. I understand wanting to win but do not act like it won’t impact the drafts because it absolutely 100% has impacted us. We’ll see how it goes this year but calling people losers for worrying about the next draft is dumb. We’re replacing our 1st overall pick QB for a guy who hasn’t been a winning QB in 8 years after losing the first two games 73-13. Do you actually think we’ll be close to contending for a playoff spot?

Get beat 47-10 and 26-3 to open a season and Monday you don’t look gleeful.

Every single person who watched the first two weeks knows Young sucks. It’s been confirmed. Some of us thought it was obvious last year but we traded away a chance to dump Young this offseason so unlike Josh Rosen, he got a second year. I think this is even worse than what the Jets felt. They felt like his mistakes were derailing a good team. If Wilson was on the Panthers last year instead, we probably wouldn’t be benching him right now. Wilson has the arm that Young dreams about. We do not have a playoff caliber team with Aaron Rodgers so we’d probably be more patient with Wilson to see if he could improve. Young has no physical ability to hope he can get better.

Of course he’s having regular meetings. We literally just benched our 2023 #1 overall pick. Canales was hired for the exact same reasons that we all wanted to see happen in 2024. Figure out if Young could ever be the guy. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to think they likely saw the same poo all the announcers and fans saw. I agree that is 99.999% likely that Canales walked into Tepper’s office this morning and said, yep Tep, it’s as bad as we thought last week. The kid ain’t it and we need to move on and decide what we’ve got on this team and Dan’s gotta jump on the scouts and figure out the next QB.

Fitterer drafted Young and according to him and Reich they were all on board. Everything else you wrote is your assumptions on what you think happened.

Yep. I don’t know why people cling to the thought that Tepper will die on the Young hill and is forcing him on every coach. I’m pretty sure that a) Tepper has been terrible at deciding GMs and coaches and b) just wants to win. After weeks 1 and 2 and a full offseason of bulking up that the entire front office knows Young is not the guy. Maybe he could improve decision making but that would take too long or never happen and his physical limitations mean that even if he ever got to a great mental level, he still can’t make SB winning throws.

How about we just quit with the Tepper is calling plays and deciding every draft pick stuff? Now Canales is a hero because he put Tepper in his place? Occam’s razor would be wisely used here. Tepper didn’t force Young on Canales. Canales got hired to improve the team from last year’s disaster and determine if Young was the guy. Tepper and Canales met last week after the disaster and probably met this morning after another disaster and Canales confirmed to Tepper that Young is not our future. Now, I assume that Canales will be focusing on seeing what we have outside QB and Morgan, hopefully, is spending 90% of his time with scouts focusing on the next two draft classes of QBs.

He still deserved it. Remember all the worries in preseason as he was just getting beat on the regular one on one? Heck, the huddle called the OL concern last preseason. They looked terrible and Iky looked the worst. The guard play got worse progressively as more people got hurt but last year it was the OL getting beat badly plus Young not handling the pressure thus creating more sacks. This year the OL is improved and healthy and Young looks worse.

If he wasn’t the first overall pick, he wouldn’t have won the QB competition because he would have had to play all the time Plummer did and it would have been obvious he’s not the guy.

Dude, Ily was legit awful last year. Just like the D can’t just blame Young for letting up 70+ points this year, Iky got beat so badly at times that even if Young caused some sacks, the pressure was still there due to Iky. The OL looks much better this year. Last year the OL was bad and Young was bad. Now it’s mainly Young.

Don’t you remember the married couple we’ll turn over the cards at the same time before and after the draft process? I do agree that I think Reich would have preferred a vet but I could see him wanting the supposedly most pro ready QB in the draft. It’s still mind boggling to me that we chose Young and that he was a top 1 or 2 guy in the media. Given what we’ve seen and his being the only one to not workout or throw at the combine, it’s just still amazing that we got snowed so bad. Oh well.