Loyalty4Life

You have no idea how to analyze stats. Stats lie and liars use stats. That because you have to look at them in context. For instance, it's a combination of scheme, pressure, and WR not getting separation. I've watched the all-22 film of more than half the games and the biggest reason Bryce holds onto the ball waaaay to long is no one is open. A stat is going to tell you an average in this context. Go watch the All-22 film and watch each play and then try to assess why it failed.

Have no problem admitting that but I wonder what happens if a guy has bad footwork and one of the bottom 5 pass blocking lines in the league. I'm not leaving Bryce blameless. He has played badly but it's not all on him and it very difficult to see what can be corrected and improved and what is just something he can't do because almost every aspect of the offense except Moton has played badly or very inconsistent. It's the NFL. It's never just one thing. Bryce can get better with a different system and personal. We are never going to do well starting bottom of the barrel guards every game and Icky getting beat on nearly every speed rush when he doesn't have help. Add in Bozemen who has allowed 7 sacks and there is plenty of blame to go around. A WR core who are tops in the league in not being able to get open also contributes. The offensive scheme too. It all goes together. Each one helps or hurts the rest. When the collection as a whole is bad it's not just a Bryce thing. It's beyond a cliche to say a QB gets to much credit and too much blame and that is because most fans don't understand how all the parts interact and effect the other parts.

Bryce has had not problem with arm strength today. We took a number of shots downfield. In fact, he's had more zip on his ball today than usually. Today it's been more his accuracy when he does have any time to throw. He constantly gotten less accurate because of his poor footwork. That is largely on the pass protection or lack thereof. He's ducking right after releasing the pass on medium to long throws. Move Icky to guard and draft/sign another stud guard. With the exception of Icky not getting a hand on speed rushers from the outside the problem is the push up the middle. Nash had an awful game at RG. I really can't wait to see Bryce in a different set of circumstances next year. I still have a lot of faith. Keep pounding. Always.

Oh my bad. I guess I missed Icky still whiffing on speed rushes and WR getting wide open or us running a completely different offense. Bryce has not risen to make his team better at all. He has looked worse and worse the last few games. No question but you can't show up to a gun fight with a knife. When that happens and he still plays like this, then I'll call him a bust.

Welp, that's ball game.

Call on 4th was a good call, Bryce made the right read. RB just fell down. How can it be a bad call when it worked exactly as it should at every part except for the RB falling down?

I wanted AT Perry.

That is the kind of crap that always seems to happen to bad teams. Completely missed block for a punt block/TD. Critical 4th down and 1 and receiver is open but falls down.

Saints putting 6 on the line and we still running it down their throats.

Why. What has really changed? We are actually running the ball so we are actually somewhat in games but other than that the circumstances are still the same as they were to start the season. Line still can't block, WR still has trouble getting open except now Bryce is gun shy. Only so much you can do in season with pretty much the same offense. We could still win today and have the Falcons and Bucs at home. Packers are at Panthers too but have gotten much better than they were earlier in the season.

And the hits keep on coming...

Saints bring 6 on blitz and we pick it up but Iggy gets shredded on a speed rush.

And they kept 7 in to block and Chubba chipping on Iggy's man. Only way to throw deepish.

Protection, separation, great throw....nice. I like it. Almost exact same play that Mingo got a huge gain on a few games ago.

I hate Jonathan Vilma so much.

Well, looks like Bryce can throw deep, he just can't do it accurately right now. His footwork is horrible and he is to blame for that I also think that the constant pressure has him gun shy. He won't (and shouldn't) stand tall in the pocket and follow through in the face of a the pass rush. A lot of his throws he is throwing and turning away to keep from getting hit. So, he doesn't follow through and is inaccurate.

We suck but we didn't lose the #1 overall pick because we don't know what the results would have been if we'd not traded up for the #1 pick. You can't compare different variables and say the results for one would have been the same for the 2nd. Still sucks ass we have fallen so low.

In hindsight, what we should have done from the very beginning was to draft all the players that turned out to be studs in the NFL.

I wanna see Evero given the HC after Frank is fired. He's a potential star in the making and honestly I don't know if we could get a more qualified candidate to come in.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/01/nfl-draft-panthers-bryce-young-decision-process You can believe what the actual people say and actually report or view all rumors and twitter posts as being equally valid. The only rumors I heard about Frank preferring Shroud was because of the fact that all his previous QB's were over 6'3". That is it.

I love my Panthers. <shrug>

I agree and see your point but I do agree with Tepper in that if you don't have a QB, you don't have anything and after 5-6 years of trying to find a QB we shot our shot with Bryce. Even with hindsight I'd do it again. I think we'll be better off with Bryce in a few years than if we'd stayed the course with Rhule. But if Bryce does turn out to be a bust, you're right that we're at the bottom of the barrel with assets.

There is no right way to pick the right GM or coach. Tepper stayed the course with Ron. Yuck. Tepper picked the flashy college coach. Bust. Tepper picked (and paid for) the coach and staff with the most NFL experience. Bust. We will either go hot young coordinator next and promote Evero to HC or get a NFL expert "consultant" to pick the next GM like we did with Ernie Accorsi and got Dave Gettlemen. We'll hit sooner or later just like every other NFL team. I hope.

It's going to not get your QB killed which is about as much as I can hope for with Frank's offense.