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If Darnold gets traded that's very bad for us. They're in a much better situation to either A) trade for Watson or B) draft a QB. Either way, a very attractive option for us becomes unavailable.

I have no idea how we missed the Teddy evaluation so badly. Many of us called it pretty much exactly how it would go because there was ample evidence available that Teddy was a low ceiling utterly risk adverse QB who somehow still has a pretty bad TD:INT ratio. He throws an average amount of INTs while throwing for a significantly below average number of TDs.

Tepper may have talked the talk about being patient but we've shown borderline desperation at the QB position this off-season. The reality of Teddy being what Teddy has always been evidently really caught us off guard. I have no idea why, but as an organization we seem really shook by this.

As they should have. Goff isn't great but he's several levels above Teddy.

This. It's what I've been saying for awhile. None of this is Teddy's fault. Teddy was for us what he's always been. It's 100% on us for evidently expecting him to be something that he's not and that there was ample NFL evidence against him being.

1. Trade for Watson 2. Trade up in draft (probably to #2 or #3) for Wilson 3. Trade for Carr 4. Lesser trade up in the draft for Fields or Lance (#5 or #6) 5. Sign Trubisky as FA (this could still be a bridge option if we plan to go with #4) 6. Trade for Minshew Not interested in trading for Wentz, Darnold, or limping another season with Teddy.

I don't think they actually believe that. They just think that "you always play to win the game" makes you a "good" fan. The NFL isn't college. There's no downside to winning games when you're out of contention in college. Every win is a good win. That's not the case in NFL. You don't want to outright tank like the Eagles did but there are ways to "tank" without being blatant. Years down the road it'll come out that Pederson and the Eagles' management weren't in the same page in that game. Either Pederson thought that he was expected to tank or the Eagles' management wanted a tank job and Pederson didn't so he went rogue and made it hilariously obvious.

That late season win over WFT just officially become worthless. We cost ourselves a shot at a franchise QB prospect for absolutely nothing

Hope for the best, asolutely expect the worst and assume that it's likely a premature (but 100% deserved) end to the Rhule/Fitts era. It'll probably just take 2-3 years of flailing for all that to come to pass. At which point the fan base is pretty much gutted and the support for a municipally funded new stadium is nil and the future of the Panthers in Charlotte is very much in doubt.

I have zero ill will toward Teddy. He is who he is. It's our fault for signing him expecting more. That's 100% on us.

Disagree. Trubisky has been better and has a higher ceiling. I still seriously doubt that he's the answer, but he's a level above Teddy anyway you slice it.

He was much better than Foles in that offense and Foles won a SB. Nagy = Gase 2.0.

Yeah, that bridge has burned and the rubble cleared at this point. That relationship is over. Teddy would probably have minimal interest in helping mentor a rookie after this. Sure, he'd show up and do his job but I doubt he'd do anything above and beyond that to help his soon to be replacement along after we've pretty thoroughly dragged him through the mud.

The only way I would be onboard with rolling the dice on a Trubisky rehab effort is if we feel certain we can unload Teddy's contract via trade so that he would "only" hit us for $10M this year.

Panthers fans at the home opener I guess I should've posted raucous cheering, because let's be honest... BOA would be full of opposing fans.

Yeah, we would do that. I don't think Houston would be interested in Shaq and his contract though. He needs to be released or restructured after this season.

Yeah, I would call any of that "rumors". Trubisky is definitely better than Teddy, but when you combine his contract with Teddy's dead money you'd essentially be paying elite QB money for Mitch Trubisky. I'll pass on that. For the record, after we signed Teddy and the Bears signed Foles, I said we should've just tried to swing a trade for Trubisky if we were definitely moving on from Cam. Trubisky has upside. Teddy didn't. I'm genuinely curious to see what Trubisky can do away from Nagy. I'm about convinced that Nagy is another Gase. Foles looked absolutely dreadful under his tutelage too. I just don't think we're in a great situation to be the team that rolls those dice due to having to eat Teddy's contract. We rolled our dice on a bridge QB and it came up snake eyes.

There were very few people excited about the idea of signing Teddy. I certainly wasn't among them.

Yeah, I don't think so either but I can still wish. I just think we're highly likely to end up with the Teddy situation 2.0 if we get desperate.

Herbert and Prescott don't really fit, but the other three definitely do.

If we strike out on Watson and strike out in the draft, I'm ready to cut Teddy and just let Grier deliver that '22 #1 overall pick.

If we strike out on Watson and strike out in the draft, Trubisky would be an upgrade from Teddy. I just wouldn't want to pay him elite money. I mean, you wouldn't have to but his contract plus Teddy's dead money would equal elite money.

I don't agree with this. I'd honestly rather do nothing at all than send #8 and more to Philly for Wentz.

Agreed. Carr is good, Gruden just always thinks the QB grass is greener on the other side of the fence. If Gruden stupidly parts ways with him we should absolutely be (very) interested. We just made a very aggressive trade offer for a QB with virtually identical stats this season who is four years older.

With Detroit and Philly very possibly looking at QBs and also holding (or in Philly's case about to he holding) much better draft trade capital than us, I think our draft chances are dropping to near zero if I'm being honest. That WFT win might really bite us in the ass.