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If the choice is this guy or a left tackle at our first pick give me o line all day. He is not special enough that we can't find someone similar further down the draft.

Nah, he was coming off injury and struggled to stay on the field. This year he was completely recovered and played well in a good scheme. It happens that sometimes you pick up a guy coming off injury and bail too soon and he goes elsewhere and plays the way you hoped he would.

That is what Fitterer and Tepper need to decide. If Rhule says let me do it my way and they concede total control then the only reasonable answer is that they are giving him enough rope to hang him. He either produces in year 3 which is what he sold Tepper he would do or he is gone. I am sure O line is the biggest need and Fitterer will do his part to bring in talent. If I were Tepper I would be asking Fitterer to take more control over who we get personnel wise regarding players who will be here after Rhule is gone. It was fine to give him the reins initially but nothing says he should be making decisions. And let's be real here both Brady and Snow for as bright as they are which play poor situational football. Guys out of position, penalties, blown coverages and on and on. On both sides of the ball we were undisciplined and unmotivated. No sense of urgency or purpose. We can be fine with Rhule if he sticks to his processes and is the mouthpiece and rah rah guy for the team. But his coordinators need to take charge of the gameplanning and especially the adjustments. And Snow needs to have some serious NFL experienced defensive consultants or whatever you want to call them to help him call games and make adjustments. I am sure Snow saw the problem with run defense but he just couldn't fix it. He was so about speed he sacrificed fundamentals like gap control and playing the run first. The personnel with a number of upgrades would be pretty good and surely something that would attract a new coach. And Tepper spends the bucks. I don't think that Tepper is thinking lame duck season and is keeping Rhule because he can't find someone else. I think Tepper committed to three years which is why Rhule never worried for his job. This is it I think. Playoffs or bust in 2022. This will be Teppers fifth year. I think he is angry and sick about the results so far. He is a prideful man and he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. It hasn't to be tough looking at the Jerry Jones of the world and thinking he knows more about football than I do. Or at least about winning.

That might be true if he doesn't count on fans putting up millions of dollars to buy tickets. The best thing he has going is that PSL fans have to pay for tickets or sell their PSLs to somebody else at a large discount. If this were only based on season ticket holders who didn't have to renew he would be out there hussling to fill seats with lots of promises.

Why would he talk to the media knowing how everyone feels. There is little he could say that would make me feel better at this point.

Why do folks act as if we can't sign whoever we want. Cap space is easy to manipulate so we have plenty if we structure it properly. And honestly after giving Tepper lots of money for a crappy product I am fine with him spending a ton to upgrade this team. He owes us given this is year five coming up and we have had no winning seasons to show for it. Finally in this division the secondary is critical and we had tons of injuries. We need as many talented players as we can get. With that said if it is between Jackson and Gilmore give me Gilmore. Jackson plays small and can't defend larger receivers like Gilmore can.

Good for them. At this point I don't want to win a meaningless game. While I never root for us to lose as that just goes against my DNA I am not miserable if we lose like I have been up to this year. Then again if we don't go Oline or QB in this draft then great draft position won't matter. There is plenty of blame to go around but if Rhule can't get it down then we need to find someone who can. It sounds like Tepper may give Rhule 1 more year if the team shows they haven't given up. This will be year 5 coming up for Tepper as an owner. He has done nothing but put a losing product on the field since he took over. He needs to make Rhule get coordinators with proven success. We could be ok with Rhule if his staff were more experienced and competent.

I don't find watching Cam who is a shell of his former self struggling with this terrible offense entertaining. Truth is with each big hit he continues to take just makes it more likely he will end up like many old players with brain damage. He needs to move on and retire. He has nothing to prove.

At this point he is under contract for 2022 and will be on the roster if he isn't cut or traded. So it isn't if we keep him as much as who do we find that is much better so he isn't our best option. And right now as bad as he is, he is the best option right now.

Sam is right, few if any offensive folks are playing well and he acknowledged that he wasn't playing well before he said anything about anyone else. Still with better line work and guys catching the ball we could be scoring a lot more. Yesterday Sam put the ball right on the mark several times only to have the receiver drop it.

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Can't be nice even during the holidays. Hope things get better.

I have to admit that my enthusiasm level has been lower than any since Cam arrived. The 2-6 records at home the past 3 years and few if any victories in December make it hard to keep cheering. Paying thousands of dollars every year for this production on the field. There is no fanbase who won't boo their players when they have had enough. Then cheer for them 10 minutes later when they do something great. If he wants cheering fans then let's start winning. Until then the booing has just begun.

Thanks for the concern and Merry Christmas.

I thought every thread was a Cam thread these days.

I love Cam and hate to see the same thing that happens to every great player in the league with the exception of Brady who is an alien and not worldly. It happens to every quarterback sooner or later. Cam's game is physical and always has been. If we are honest with ourselves, we knew he wasn't going to last 15 or 20 seasons playing that way and he was going to have to adapt to a pocket passer. But his shoulder injuries derailed that. So here we are at season 11 and Cam has played hard and done everything he could. He has nothing to prove or stick around for. I can't see Fitterer paying Cam as a starter next year. And do you think he would play for 5 million or less. So honestly what are the chances he is around next year even if Rhule is gone. No new coach will have ties to any player or coach. Certainly not one who last victory for us was years ago. Cam deserves better than to hang on like most players try to do.

I doubt you are alone in that sentiment. I wanted to see him at the goal line at the end.

If a top left tackle is there I would jump on them in the first. We haven't had a great LT since Gross left after we drafted him in the first round eons ago.

Moton is good and assuming Brady is the future we got both bookends covered. Guards and centers are always out there in the draft and free agency. If Brown or one of the other guys are decent it really isn't nearly the impossible task some are making it out to be. I would start with new O line coaches.

That is what I thought should happen.

If Cam wants to play for vet minimum he could be a backup but not if he wants starter money. He just needs to retire before he tarnishes his legacy. He doesn't need the money and doesn't need more physical.poundung.

The hope is that if Brady and Brown are legit, we only have 2 starters to find which should be doable. Then again if we don't change coaching it might not matter.

It isn't hard, Cam is not the future and was only on a half season rental. Darnold will be here next year if he isn't traded. So there was little reason to play Cam in the second half. Rhule has no loyalty to Cam and is fighting for his job. He can't afford to be sentimental.

They have good overall numbers but situationally they are terrible. How many 3rd and longs have we given up. How many three and outs. Tampa has 60% of their offense out today and they have 250 yards in the first half and almost 100 in the ground. Absolutely the defense is terrible due to a crappy scheme even though our personnel might be pretty good. You clearly see but don't understand.

Right now he looks better than Cam which isn't saying much.