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Can't be nice even during the holidays. Hope things get better.

I have to admit that my enthusiasm level has been lower than any since Cam arrived. The 2-6 records at home the past 3 years and few if any victories in December make it hard to keep cheering. Paying thousands of dollars every year for this production on the field. There is no fanbase who won't boo their players when they have had enough. Then cheer for them 10 minutes later when they do something great. If he wants cheering fans then let's start winning. Until then the booing has just begun.

Thanks for the concern and Merry Christmas.

I thought every thread was a Cam thread these days.

I love Cam and hate to see the same thing that happens to every great player in the league with the exception of Brady who is an alien and not worldly. It happens to every quarterback sooner or later. Cam's game is physical and always has been. If we are honest with ourselves, we knew he wasn't going to last 15 or 20 seasons playing that way and he was going to have to adapt to a pocket passer. But his shoulder injuries derailed that. So here we are at season 11 and Cam has played hard and done everything he could. He has nothing to prove or stick around for. I can't see Fitterer paying Cam as a starter next year. And do you think he would play for 5 million or less. So honestly what are the chances he is around next year even if Rhule is gone. No new coach will have ties to any player or coach. Certainly not one who last victory for us was years ago. Cam deserves better than to hang on like most players try to do.

I doubt you are alone in that sentiment. I wanted to see him at the goal line at the end.

If a top left tackle is there I would jump on them in the first. We haven't had a great LT since Gross left after we drafted him in the first round eons ago.

Moton is good and assuming Brady is the future we got both bookends covered. Guards and centers are always out there in the draft and free agency. If Brown or one of the other guys are decent it really isn't nearly the impossible task some are making it out to be. I would start with new O line coaches.

That is what I thought should happen.

If Cam wants to play for vet minimum he could be a backup but not if he wants starter money. He just needs to retire before he tarnishes his legacy. He doesn't need the money and doesn't need more physical.poundung.

The hope is that if Brady and Brown are legit, we only have 2 starters to find which should be doable. Then again if we don't change coaching it might not matter.

It isn't hard, Cam is not the future and was only on a half season rental. Darnold will be here next year if he isn't traded. So there was little reason to play Cam in the second half. Rhule has no loyalty to Cam and is fighting for his job. He can't afford to be sentimental.

They have good overall numbers but situationally they are terrible. How many 3rd and longs have we given up. How many three and outs. Tampa has 60% of their offense out today and they have 250 yards in the first half and almost 100 in the ground. Absolutely the defense is terrible due to a crappy scheme even though our personnel might be pretty good. You clearly see but don't understand.

Right now he looks better than Cam which isn't saying much.

Tampa has 60% of their offense missing and they have right at 250 yards at halftime. We have good personnel but terrible coaching.

So why did he not then adjust a second or change his throwing motion like every other NFL quarterback can do to avoid the contact?

No he isn't. We have great overall stats but awful situational stats like three and outs. And we give up a 55 yard run on third and 2. Terrible gap discipline.

And just as I say this he throws a boneheaded pick showing no touch on the ball at all.

Cam is doing it again. Looking great on the first drive at home. Can we please keep it up and play well in all three phases for once and give our long suffering home fans something to get excited about.

Can't say I disagree the system sucks.

Not sure I agree that Sam is worse than Cam who is really struggling. The desire is there but the passing isn't. If Sam plays like he did the last several games he shouldn't be anything but a backup and only because we had to keep him as he gets paid regardless. Otherwise he needs to go too. But we have nothing to lose playing Darnold and if he sucks our draft position is great.

I included all his games passer rating in an earlier post because you don't cherry pick just the games that support your position and ignore others. Selective stats are hardly convincing as is your narrative. His passer rating since he came back is around 70. And we havent won a game with him. I mentioned the last 3 because instead of getting better he is getting worse as teams get film on the offense. If you are a Carolina fan you have to love Cam and all he has meant to the franchise since he was drafted. But in the NFL, injury gets the best of everyone like it did Cam. He needs to retire a Panther and join the team in one capacity or another. But it is clear that he isn't a starter in the league anymore and he doesn't need to be a backup just to play a few more years. He has plenty of money so it is time to move on and not spoil his legacy with declining play.

Truth is we lost the last 12 with Cam and instead of getting better with more experience in the offense he is getting worse. His passer rating the last 3 games has been 56, 70 and 6. That is abysmal and Cam is not playng well at all. It is time to admit he just isn't an NFL quality QB anymore as he is one dimensional and can't make all the throws. Darnold may continue to struggle but honestly Cam is what he is and frankly it isn't good enough. I am glad Cam got to come back and play again for us but it just reinforces why we moved on from him in 2020 and will move on again. If Darnold plays poorly as well, whether he is under contract or not next year we should be bringing in several options and trying to find a real NFL starter. At this point I don't think any of current guys are the answer at QB.

Yeah it isn't pretty is it.......