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Exactly. Simple logic which seems in short supply.

If he said that the first 3 picks were Trevor, Wilson and Jones and didn't mention another one and it is Detroit's pick at 7 the reasonable thing to think is that the rest are on the board and that includes Lance and Fields. I guess what you call changing the goal posts, I would call reading comprehension and simple logic. My response was to the question of whether we would make the move if we thought someone else would jump ahead. I told him why I wouldn't make the trade at that point either. No one talked about something before that. Try to keep up.

Apparently you still don't.....

Not true at all. You do care who you get but again is Lance worth giving up 2 firsts over Fields which costs nothing or the other way around. We are talking the 4th or fifth best guy not the first or second. At what point are either such a slam dunk to get into a bidding war.

But again unless you have Lance way over Fields you will get one or the other. Or we could trade down and let someone who loves Fields give us the farm to get him and we can get a vet like Darnold for a 4th and draft a guy in the second and still be way ahead of the game. Especially if it true that we don't love anyone except for Trevor or Fields

Then unless we think Lance is so much better than Fields we just let them and pick Fields and save our picks. Or that team picks Fields and we get Lance.

https://www.derp/2021/4/1/22362214/carolina-panthers-trade-up-gamble-on-quarterback-trey-lance-nfl-mock-draft-todd-mcshay-espn Maybe it is just me but why would we trade up from 8th to 7th with Detroit to pick a guy who will be there anyway. If they really wanted Lance they wouldn't make the trade and they likely won't go QB after trading for Goff. They need weapons around him like WRs. If Detroit wanted a QB I could see us trading ahead of Detroit if we thought they wanted Lance but not with Detroit. Tell me where my thinking is flawed

Brooked also rated Tua as the best QB in 2020 and Haskins as his favorite in 2019. In 2018 it was Josh Rosen as number 1 and Lamar Jackson number 4 and Josh Allen number 5. In 2017 he had Watson and Kizer and Trubinsky in front of Mahomes. So not sure that he would garner much credibility here. His track record isn't that great.

The fact that you see everything as black or white and not in terms of who you are and what you have done is very telling to me. That is what the race card is about. Seeing everything in terms of race and judging someone based on the color of their skin and not who they are incide or how they act. You perpetuate the problem as much as the folks you complain about. As if black people don't have stereotypical views of white people the same as they may have of black people. How do you think your statements help guide or inform the conversation.

There are lots of problems out there that need to be addressed but you didn't talk about race in historical terms you were specifically talking about the current crop of college prospects and playing the race card. Trust me I lived through the Chicago riots, the southern marches and actually met Dr. King. I could tell you a lot about those times you have no clue about. Be careful backpedalling so fast that you fall and hurt yourself.

He ran a 4.33 on his proday but reportedly had been clocked as fast as 4.25 but I never saw official verification of that.

The defense wasn't good last year. We were good when we blitzed and pressed and sucked when we went zone and rushed 3. It was a case of the stats looking better than the results. And it wasn't bad coaching it was a college coach learning to get better in the NFL. His 3-5-3 concept wasn't that great in the NFL. Guys like Chinn and Burns made it look better than it was And Garoppollo's problems are injury related not skill. Through 8 games in 2020 his record is 24-8. He took them to a Superbowl in 2019 and would be solid if he could stay healthy. And once again you use a true exception to the rule in Wilson to justify starting a rookie despite the overwhelming evidence to show it is best to give them time to learn the game. You aren't alone though many folks including NFL execs make the same mistake every year

How many guys flame out because they are put into a situation as a starter on often not good teams where they flounder instead of flourish. That is because they were not ready to carry the team and needed to sit and watch and understand the game before being thrown in there. The success of some guys like Mahomes has make fans think that it is easy to come in as a rookie and play right away or after taking your drubbings they will come back the next year and be a star. Great fantasy. Reality is that for every Mahomes you have there are tons of first rounders who flame out or become backups and journeymen. Frankly if they weren't first rounders they wouldn't have lasted as long since folks hate to be wrong on their first rounders. And the guys we are going to get all have great physical talent but suspect ability to read defenses and go through progressions, and wouldn't have a clue how to move personnel to force the defense into undesirable matchups. All things Teddy actually does very well. It would be a great combination because they have the athleticism he lacks and he has the mental and football knowledge they lack having never played a snap in the league. It is exactly what we need. And if you played sports at a high level you know that coaches teach but the veteran guys really translate the nuances to the younger guys on the practice field where players learn the game. When Shanahan brought in Garoppollo, who was already a veteran at the time, he sat him for six months until he knew the offense before putting him as the starter. Bringing in a rookie who is the 4th or 5th best guy in the draft and starting him in this offense day 1 would be a disaster. This offense is much more evolved and precise than the one Cam came into his rookie year. You don't just step right in unless it is adapted and simplified until things slow down and you are ready for more complexity.

You clearly are confused. A mentor teaches others in the classroom and in practice which is where most work is done. Game reps only are good if done correctly. There are tons of QBs with lots of game experience who still struggle because they make poor decisions and for which the game doesn't slow down. It slows down in practice not the game. The game is for demonstrating what you have learned in practice and on film. So yes many great mentors and coaches aren't the best athletes but guys who understand the game and how to teach. And we are not cutting Bridgewater June 1. Given 10 million of his salary is guaranteed this year cutting him would cost 20 million in dead cap. Even a June 1st resignation sonly pushes 5 million to next year. So we keep him at 22 million or cut him and waste 20 million whether it is all this year or 15 and 5 next year. Hardly a smart move. No the play here would be trade him if possible and his guaranteed money goes to the other team. Otherwise keep him and use him as a mentor. Those are your only reasonable options

Most successful and Superbowl winning QBs are game managers. A gunslinger like Favre won 1 Superbowl in his whole career with arguable good personnel. Brady has won a bunch with arguably mixed personnel. Some years great others not so much.

Stop the race-baiting. We were willing to give up the farm for Watson and he is black. Meanwhile the knock on Darnold is he can't read defenses and makes poor decisions and he is white. Not only is your insinuation offensive but very inaccurate.

Not saying we want Bridgewater long term unless he seriously improves which is doubtful. But he is the perfect guy to mentor a rookie or even a vet coming from a different system. Teddy didn't look terrible until defenses realized he wouldn't uncork it. He knew the system and moved the ball. We had 3 receivers with 1000 yards. He just couldn't finish drives and keep the safeties back with over the top passing. Some reality is needed here.

Don't agree at all. One of the main reasons Bridgewater was brought in was because he knew the system and taught it to everyone else. You don't bring in a rookie into this system and expect them to pick it up in one off-season. We are on the hook for his money one way or the other. But it doesn't stop you from drafting a guy and bringing in a vet on a cheap rookie contract. You give up a roster spot by keeping 3 QBs but with a 17 game season you might need that many. Then you get rid of Teddy after this year and move on. But you don't get rid of the one QB who actually knows the most about Brady's system.

Now do that for every other SEC team and compare. Lots of guys gets drafted from the SEC which is why many see it as the top division. But were they stacked compared to Alabama which is the competition.

We agree on that one then.

Of course. But for the SEC they didn't have the stacked roster that others did. But playing in the SEC is light years ahead of what Lance played against and why he is a better risk even though his stats were not other worldly.

Again I am not in the Mond or Lance crowd. I have said that I don't know if Lance will bust but he is a huge gamble in the first and it would be nuts to give up multiple picks to move up for him. I think that is pretty clear where I stand. And I said that I am not a big fan of multiple picks for Jones although he is the third best QB in my opinion which is informed by guys I think know what they are talking about. I claim no expertise butI do pay attention to those that do. And no that is not all Simms was critical about Lance but he gave him leeway because he only started 1 season and couldn't play this year. There is such a small body of work for a small school QB like Lance against anything approaching competition you can't say either way. Jones gets knocked for having superior talent around him helping him look better than he is But Lance supporters saying that ignore that NDSU has a huge talent edge over their competition as well. Lance didn't throw in tight windows and have to be that accurate. And none of that talent for or against would be starting in the SEC. And really do you think we would have this conversation or one about Jones if I hid behind anyone and didn't go against the grain at times.

Hill has been used as a gadget guy and hasn't really shown much but hasn't started at all. I would like to see him actually start a game and run and throw. At this point he hasn't justified the extension he got .

Agreed. But I don't trot mine out as the definitive word like you just did. As for group think among analysts, the reason that picking is so difficult and inexact is that guys like Lance get hyped and then suck because everyone gets on the bandwagon. I like analysts who are right most of the time like Chris Simms who agrees with me not the crowd who are often wrong.

Josh Norman says hi. Not only did Lance play at a much lower division but he started 1 year and played 1 game in the last year. How many qbs have ever come from NDSU. Yeah that would be Carson Wentz and he was never very good. Meanwhile BYU had Steve Young, Jim McMahon and currently Taysom Hill for the Saints among others.