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I'm not immune to hope but the Panther's have conditioned me to be skeptical. It felt a little fresh today hearing some positive reports from the joint practice. Let's mash them in the mouth Saturday when game conditions are simulated.

Bryce is going to shut a lot of people up one way or another.

Their video is 37 minutes and ours is only 30 minutes, already beating us in time of possession. /s

JC and DJ going at it is fun to watch.

Yeah, I replied to your first post and eventually caught your additional replies later after I had already posted this. Cheers

I have no issue getting behind Bryce when he deserves it. Here's one of my posts after the Green Bay game last year.

Well to be fair those are just the arguments that normal fanbases have unless you clearly have an answer at the position.

Cherry picking one statistic to support your argument without context isn't good faith debate. For example, I could cherry pick bad throw %, of which Bryce was the worst in the league by a mile at 21.5%. But that would lack the context of pressure, wr quality, play calling, quality of opponent and many other context pieces that may help explain why he threw so many poor passes. Cherry picking interception percentage ignores how lucky he may have been with dropped interceptions, which was quite lucky by the way. It was almost extraordinary how many interceptions he threw that were between the numbers and dropped. It also ignores weather, injuries, quality of opponent, hell maybe the receiver fell or didn't fall for another guy. The point being a single stat in a vacuum does nothing but make your argument look feeble. Look I get it, you like Bryce or at least you're a glass half full guy. Anyone else with a shred of doubt is a hater or cynic, always dismissing the possibility that we're just Panthers fans commenting on what we've observed. I would be thrilled for Bryce to blow up and make us relevant this year. I wouldn't give one single shitz about the crowd in here that would rush to tell me how wrong I was. I'm capable of observing what's happened and judging just that. I want to see quality football. I linger on this board all day because I'm obsessed with the Panthers not because I'm obsessed with shitting on Bryce.

What's the threshold for the amount reps that you think would make a difference? Whatever number you come up with is how many he should get IMO. Bryce was terrible last season, he should be out there earning his keep just like anyone else on the team who is being dismissed as a bum or camp fodder.

I think you are spot on. I don't even know where this QB whisperer garbage came from. Baker statistically was on par with his early Cleveland production last year and only threw for 147 yards in 9-0 win against us with the division and playoffs on the line. Not making a statement on Canales other than I don't think his resume is head coach quality. Doesn't mean he won't be, to me it just means it's yet another gamble.

We'd have to accidentally get trapped into a situation like this. Canales has already told us there is no QB competition in Carolina. Imagine not having to compete for the job of "NFL QB", it's really insane if you think about it.

Who brought their kid to work?

Jordan in the last dance....whew...they won titles though!

Our defense looking strong. Our defense is practicing against our offense. Our offense is running gassers.

I think Canales is here on a BY9 mandate. Saying there is no QB competition seems out of place for a first year head coach given how bad the team was last year. Dan and Dave have both said on every occasion they want competition up and down the roster. I can't think of any reason he would handcuff himself to Bryce unless he agreed to it for the job.

The Bucs beat us twice last year by a combined 12 points including one of the ugliest games of the year, the 9-0 finale where Baker threw for 137 yards with the division crown and playoffs on the line. Canales is a huge question mark as well.

We’re now debating how good a throw an incompletion was. The bar is lowwwww.

Just a bigger Bryce without the sunk cost.

That'd be a half decent opening drive.

Actual future photo of Dave Canales sent from week 5.

By no means am I arguing that it's all Bryce, but I would argue that he made us WORSE by a wide margin. Comparatively, I think most would agree that the Jets expectations fell off a cliff when Rodgers was replaced by Wilson after one series. The betting odds certainly did. Competent QB play changes everything. Believe it or not, I'm not rooting for the kid to fail. I'd be thrilled to be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time. My opinions are based off what has happened, not what might happen. I'm always open to include new information and shift my opinion as appropriate. I don't have to fit in neat predefined boxes built by insecure huddlers that demand loyalty in the face of disaster.

What you see as cause I see as effect. Soon it will be undeniable to all.

I want to address this metric as well. Things like pressures, hits and sacks are cold hard facts. No nuisance at all. But WR separation charts....hmmm...tell me more. I have questions. Is the amount of separation measured for each pass at the moment the ball arrives to intended receiver? If it is how do we know the pass didn't affect the seperation? I.E. thowing someone open vs a receiver needing to slow down for an underthrown pass, thus allowing a defender to catch up? We certainly saw plenty of this and it's certainly a demarcation point for good vs bad QBs. Maybe the amount of separation is for every receiver on every play. If it is at what point is it measured? How does the statistic recorder know where the route is supposed to create separation? Does it account for other receivers that may have been wide open or just the one the pass went to? Please explain to me these from your chart.

Dude, you're clowning right? Otherwise you have no idea what a strawman actually is. Let me spell it out for you. Did Mahommes perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Did Goff perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Did Bryce perform well under pressure? Yes or No (Support with direct evidence) Answers....Yes, Yes, No. Once you start arguing outside of the evidence you are presenting a strawman argument. Now if you want to present a new argument about comparing experience or WR separation by all means make that argument. But this argument is simply that two QBs performed much better under similar pressure.