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Kelvin Benjamin - The Right Pick

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4Corners Grand Master

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That logic really doesn't apply.  If we thought that Robinson was the guy we wanted and that he wouldn't be there at 60 then you pull the trigger at 28 or be prepared for him to not be there at 60.  That was the same issue with Robinson.  Several drafts had him going in the 30s or even 40s but he would be clearly gone by the time we picked up again and you can assume you can move up in the draft so you pick who you want at your pick regardless of whether some say it is a reach or not.  Obviously Gettleman likes Benjamin the most.

This logic most certainly does apply. You and that other guy are speaking hypothetically. You are also quoting irrelevant mock drafts that have ZERO influence on the actual draft. Obviously no NFL teams had him in their first round plans or they would have drafted him. I'm not knocking the dude I just would have been a little bewildered if we drafted him in the first. Wouldn't have the pick if he's there when we choose in the 2nd. 

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The difference is that Jarrett was 20 lbs smaller and not physical as you note.. He didn't have a great catching radius nor was he great after the catch. They are not similar at all other than being both tall. And lets be real here, slow is relative. 4.6 isn't exactly slow. Top receivers at 4.4 are literally the blink of an eye faster. Sometimes a tenth or two is made out to be more than it is. Particularly when talking about football speed versus running in shorts on a track. I wonder if Jarrett has Cam to throw to him whether he would have been better.

I don't think KB is slow. He has nice speed once up and running for his size.

I do think in size they are similar. KB a little heavier coming out of college....but he is also older than Jarrett. I think Jarrett was close to KB's size as he fizzled out.

I don't think they are similar players....just noting slow guys off the line can disappear when they arrive to the NFL. That is my only area of concern. I was high on Jarrett. I like what those guys present on paper.

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Robinson was a reach because he is not a first round WR. Like I said, all 32 NFL teams agreed with me. Would't surprise me to see him slip to the late second or third. You probably didn't even know who this guy was until like a week ago. 

 

You trolling man?

 

I am asking why someone is a reach meaning what negatives are leading you to that conclusion. Like if someone were to say why is KB a reach I would say lacks top end speed, drops alot of balls, less than ideal vert, still raw in his route running, etc etc. 

 

Robinson has always been my top WR behind Watkins and Evans. Has the size, speed, production, athleticism, and shiftiness I want out of a WR. 

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Robinson was a reach because he is not a first round WR. Like I said, all 32 NFL teams agreed with me. Would't surprise me to see him slip to the late second or third. You probably didn't even know who this guy was until like a week ago. 

Again that is faulty logic. There were a number of players with first round grades not chosen in the first round and several guys chosen in the first round like Bortles that many people had 2nd round grades on. Benjamin wasn't a first round talent on many folks board while Lee wasn't chosen and was a first round talent on almost everyone's board. 

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Again that is faulty logic. There were a number of players with first round grades not chosen in the first round and several guys chosen in the first round like Bortles that many people had 2nd round grades on. Benjamin wasn't a first round talent on many folks board while Lee wasn't chosen and was a first round talent on almost everyone's board. 

 

What people? 

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This logic most certainly does apply. You and that other guy are speaking hypothetically. You are also quoting irrelevant mock drafts that have ZERO influence on the actual draft. Obviously no NFL teams had him in their first round plans or they would have drafted him. I'm not knocking the dude I just would have been a little bewildered if we drafted him in the first. Wouldn't have the pick if he's there when we choose in the 2nd. 

 

 

This logic most certainly does apply. You and that other guy are speaking hypothetically. You are also quoting irrelevant mock drafts that have ZERO influence on the actual draft. Obviously no NFL teams had him in their first round plans or they would have drafted him. I'm not knocking the dude I just would have been a little bewildered if we drafted him in the first. Wouldn't have the pick if he's there when we choose in the 2nd. 

 

Saying it twice doesn't make it true.  You are saying they weren't first round talent and that is very different than saying that a player wasn't chosen in the first round.  Teams may very well have had him in the plan in the first round but another player fell who was at a bigger need position or they decided to trade their pick to someone else.  So to say that everyone with a first round grade was chosen in the first round or that if they weren't chosen then they were not worthy of a first round grade is naive at best.

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Saying it twice doesn't make it true.  You are saying they weren't first round talent and that is very different than saying that a player wasn't chosen in the first round.  Teams may very well have had him in the plan in the first round but another player fell who was at a bigger need position or they decided to trade their pick to someone else.  So to say that everyone with a first round grade was chosen in the first round or that if they weren't chosen then they were not worthy of a first round grade is naive at best.

 

It isnt rocket science lol 

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Saying it twice doesn't make it true.  You are saying they weren't first round talent and that is very different than saying that a player wasn't chosen in the first round.  Teams may very well have had him in the plan in the first round but another player fell who was at a bigger need position or they decided to trade their pick to someone else.  So to say that everyone with a first round grade was chosen in the first round or that if they weren't chosen then they were not worthy of a first round grade is naive at best.

 

How do you know NFL teams had a first round grade on him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh that's right you don't.

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How do you know NFL teams had a first round grade on him?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh that's right you don't.

 

First round grade / draft pick is not the same as first round talent. 

 

Richard Sherman was not a 1st round draft pick / grade but is a 1st round talent. 

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The only concern I have is his apparent easy drops. Drops happen to everybody, but we had too many last year between Ginn deep bombs, Smitty slant in Arizona, and LaFell drop on fourth down and more. Hope he cleans that up.

 

 

That said, great, great great pick and right choice. This will really help our redzone game, in particular against teams like Seattle and 49'ers. (I still haven't gotten over the redzone struggles from last years San Fran game)

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