The Observer: Panthers Should Suspend Hardy Now

[cbully]

the observer should be banned!

[Matthias]

All the "due process!!!" dummies are dummies. He already had his day in court. He was found guilty and his guilt is no longer a subject for debate. What he does have remaining at his disposal is an appeal process and that is another matter all together different from the guilty verdict. He's going to attempt to prove that his guilty verdict was reached inaccurately.

 

Do you even know what due process means? He was given it. The matter is now settled. Without his hail mary appeal of the court's decision it would already be over and done. His lawyers think they can lawyer him into lesser charges or perhaps overturn the conviction, but make no mistake that a conviction has been achieved. This man is G-U-I-L-T-Y until as such a time where he successfully mounts an appeal and less than 20% of appealed cases end up being modified in any way much less fully wiped out.

 

I say this every damn time this issue comes up, but what would you be saying about Greg Hardy if he were a Falcons player? If it's not the same poo you're saying right now, then you need to make sure that your head is in the right place to be talking about a domestic violence issue which has ZERO to do with rivalries or allegiances you have on the field.

 

He was found guilty by one person, a judge.  I'm hearing this was something of a preliminary trial and not a real judgment by one's peers.  We all have a right to be judge by a jury, that is a real trial.  It's one thing to appeal a jury trial, which you would be waiting in jail before those kinds of appeals are heard.  In this case, it's as though the judge's ruling never took place.  Hardy is not in jail, he's not on probation or doing any community service.  He's waiting on his REAL trial.  It's an embarrassment the media keeps harping on the judge's ruling as though that is set in stone and he is absolutely guilty of these crimes.

 

By the way, I've gone around our rivals boards recently to see how they felt about it.  The Falcons boards haven't said much concerning Hardy.  The Bucs boards just want Hardy off the field.  The Saints boards have pretty much said to give Hardy his due process.  So this isn't about him being our player and our biases.  Also again, anyone who followed this thing knows Hardy's former girlfriend's story is full of holes, and most likely a jury is not going to convict.  You look at stuff on a case by case basis, and in this case, Holder appears to be a crazy girlfriend who wants to hurt Hardy.  It's too bad however the media doesn't do their research, but are on a crusade right now.

[Cary Kollins]

someone show those a-holes the pie chart....oh here it is now

 

 

[Cat]

media=stupid

 

[primetimepanther]

Total bs

[Kelbin Venjamin]

 To whom it may concern:                                                 Is it to be called "domestic" violence when you physically defend yourself against a coke crazed, gold-digging 'ho'?   Especially one who is trying to get rough with you, as they are known to do.  "Due Process" includes the entire legal process...including appeal. It is true that some people do not know what "due process" means, but it is bad when they do not know what due process means and do not know that they do not know what due process means.

[mattnasty919]

Due Proccess. there is very little evidence at least seen by the public eye, let the man appeal his case by a jury. once all of the facts are known, then the nfl or the panthers can make a decision.. if anything thats what we should have learned from this whole ray rice debacle. dont rush these situations...

[greghardy'sAK-47]

All the "due process!!!" dummies are dummies. He already had his day in court. He was found guilty and his guilt is no longer a subject for debate. What he does have remaining at his disposal is an appeal process and that is another matter all together different from the guilty verdict. He's going to attempt to prove that his guilty verdict was reached inaccurately.

 

Do you even know what due process means? He was given it. The matter is now settled. Without his hail mary appeal of the court's decision it would already be over and done. His lawyers think they can lawyer him into lesser charges or perhaps overturn the conviction, but make no mistake that a conviction has been achieved. This man is G-U-I-L-T-Y until as such a time where he successfully mounts an appeal and less than 20% of appealed cases end up being modified in any way much less fully wiped out.

 

I say this every damn time this issue comes up, but what would you be saying about Greg Hardy if he were a Falcons player? If it's not the same poo you're saying right now, then you need to make sure that your head is in the right place to be talking about a domestic violence issue which has ZERO to do with rivalries or allegiances you have on the field.

you really don't know much about what you are talking about in regards to the law.  a bad google lawyer you are.  

[Happy Panther]

you really don't know much about what you are talking about in regards to the law.  a bad google lawyer you are.  

Yeah none of that matches my understanding but I am not a lawyer either.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Well... Hardy has been found guilty

Not by a jury of his peers

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[backINblack28]

He appealed to a JURY trial.  The jury trial has nothing to do with the original verdict handed down by the judge.  The jury will have to find him guilty based on the evidence, and the bench trial will have no bearing on it whatsoever.

 

Sincerely,

 

someone with a criminal justice degree that works for a courthouse

[Vagrant]

you really don't know much about what you are talking about in regards to the law.  a bad google lawyer you are.  

 

If you're confident in that then please show me where I am mistaken. Everybody here is hung up on the herp derp JURY OF YOUR PEERS thing but seem to be ignoring the fact that the vast majority of verdicts are handed down without a jury trial and are just as constitutional. If every case went to a jury trial, it would take you six months to be heard for a speeding ticket. Bench verdicts are used to expedite cases through the already backlogged courts. At any point in the process you can request a jury trial and be granted one as it is your constitutional right. Greg's lawyers did not take that route for obvious reasons.

 

And some of you REALLY need to look up the definition of the word "appeal" as it relates to criminality. It means you have been found guilty of a crime and are using the full extent of your resources to reverse that decision. It's not a fresh new thing that entirely negates the first ruling which will be fully upheld in the event he loses the appeal.

[iamcline]

If you're confident in that then please show me where I am mistaken. Everybody here is hung up on the herp derp JURY OF YOUR PEERS thing but seem to be ignoring the fact that the vast majority of verdicts are handed down without a jury trial and are just as constitutional. If every case went to a jury trial, it would take you six months to be heard for a speeding ticket. Bench verdicts are used to expedite cases through the already backlogged courts. At any point in the process you can request a jury trial and be granted one as it is your constitutional right. Greg's lawyers did not take that route for obvious reasons.

 

And some of you REALLY need to look up the definition of the word "appeal" as it relates to criminality. It means you have been found guilty of a crime and are using the full extent of your resources to reverse that decision. It's not a fresh new thing that entirely negates the first ruling which will be fully upheld in the event he loses the appeal.

 

Ever heard of this thing called the constitution?  You should Google it.  I bet you find something on the internet about it.

[Vagrant]

He appealed to a JURY trial.  The jury trial has nothing to do with the original verdict handed down by the judge.  The jury will have to find him guilty based on the evidence, and the bench trial will have no bearing on it whatsoever.

 

Sincerely,

 

someone with a criminal justice degree that works for a courthouse

 

Yes, I'm quite sure everyone has accepted the fact that he has appealed *key word* to have his case heard by a jury. What that does not do is change the verdict of his original case unless he can successfully appeal. It was never my point that Hardy was out of legal options, only that as it currently stands he is a guilty man.