Dave Gettleman's Head Coaches

[Mr. Scot]

Right name, wrong spelling.  It's Frank Reich, currently the offensive coordinator in San Diego.  He's currently getting some buzz as a head coaching candidate.

 

Reich could also bring with him another old Bill that Gettleman would be familiar with in TE Coach Pete Metzelaars.

[Mr. Scot]

So basically, if you go by the old theory that who you know i more important than what, we could be looking at Gary Kubiak, Kyle Shanahan and maybe Frank Reich as part of our 'short list'.

[Snake]

All valid points. Im not sitting here saying dave will do this, this, and this or that he has been awesome. Im pretty much just saying im excited to see how he will put this team together going forward and what it will look like when hurneys finger prints are gone. Sure im optimistic but its more just curiosity of what kind of different team we are looking at.

And i now think gettleman wasnt trying to piece together this team for a run this year. I think hes got the fututre 100% in mind.

Honestly I'm not sure that was the plan this season. I have yet to see any players except in the draft as long term. I think his plan just like last year is to weather the storm while drafting well.

[Mr. Scot]

And one other name that could become an option under the 'friend of a friend' category...

 

Saints OC Pete Carmichael actually has two coaching connections to Dave Gettleman, one direct, one 'shirt tail'.

 

Current Saints Head Coach Sean Payton was with the Giants as QB Coach and OC from 1999-2002.  Carmichael was added to his staff the year Payton took over the Saints (2006) as their QB Coach.  He has since worked his way up to offensive coordinator.

 

The other connection, though perhaps more relevant, is also indirect.

 

If you look up the Jaguars coaching staff, you'll find that from 1994 to 1999 their WR coach listed as Pete Carmichael.  The Jags head coach at the time?  Tom Coughlin.

 

Dig a little further and you'll find that during both of Coughlin's stints as a coach at Boston College, Pete Carmichael was part of the staff.  Coughlin was BC's QB coach from 81 to 83, during which time Carmichael coached DBs.  When Coughlin later took over as the head coach from 91 to 93, Carmichael was coaching the receivers.  When Coughlin got the Jacksonville job, he took Carmichael with him.

 

The trick here though is that the coach who works for Payton is Pete Carmichael Jr.  The one employed by Coughlin was Pete Carmichael Sr.  And yes, they're father and son.

 

So would those connections get him a job?

 

Unknown, but I suspect they could at least get him an interview.

 

Mind you, it wouldn't be Carmichael's first head coaching interview,  The Bears, Lions and Jaguars have all reportedly reached out to him in years past.  The question - as it is with all assistants to coaching 'geniuses' - how much is really him and how much is actually his boss?

 

Guess that's what you'd have to figure out in the vetting process.

[bandu]

So basically, if you go by the old theory that who you know i more important than what, we could be looking at Gary Kubiak, Kyle Shanahan and maybe Frank Reich as part of our 'short list'.

Kyle Shanahan would be the best coach to develop Cam from that particular list,imo.

[TheRumGone]

Don't know that yet in reality.

Him being hired and told you have to straighten out x, y, and z is a job assignment. Not loving all Hurney guys doesn't mean he won't overly show love to his guys once they get established.

This was his first real offseason. You could easily argue what hurt us most was the front offices decision to "over invest " at one postion (DE) at a clear detriment to the rest of the team. Being against the Hardy tag can be viewed for the same reasons as being against signing 2 guys to featured RB money

He gave no long term money to hardy. 13 million is for one year.

Saying he could have invested in oline, special teams isn't entirely accurate. Maybe if he could have given one year contracts to those guys maybe. But all in all it would have been more than the 13 million to garner the talent that hardy would have been.

And Kenjon barner. I know that's a sixth round pick but....

Last year was such a complete and total success in almost all signings it set such an incredible expectation. There is only so much talent to go around in an offseason at a dumpster diving price.

One mistake I would say he made was not signing obviously athletic, hungry talent that was not I. The right system to succeed. A la ginn, Mitchell. And then we had an opportunity to sign a talent like mikell who was a top five safety statistically. Options like that weren't really available this offseason.

Say we signed Collins who went to tampa that was 15 million guaranteed compared to 13. And hardy is obviously the more talented player. So would you rather have that 5 mill a year for 5 with 15 gauranteed for a tackle that sucks balls (and was basically the cheapest or most reasonable option) or an elite talent that could mask an entire position groups deficiencies?

This season was lost because of hardys poo, cams surgery/injuries and Ron reverting back to his former self for the most part

[TheRumGone]

im tired of ppl saying he could have spent that 13 million in other areas of drastic need when signing that type of talent would cost more than the 14 million guaranteed and future dead money once subpar talent on the market would have eventually been cut. Hardy was the gamble to keep this team competitive for one more transition year and give us back to back winning seasons.

Hardy is one of the most talented players in the league who still hadn't hit his ceiling and he fuged us majorly

[Mr. Scot]

He gave no long term money to hardy. 13 million is for one year.

Saying he could have invested in oline, special teams isn't entirely accurate. Maybe if he could have given one year contracts to those guys maybe. But all in all it would have been more than the 13 million to garner the talent that hardy would have been.

And Kenjon barner. I know that's a sixth round pick but....

Last year was such a complete and total success in almost all signings it set such an incredible expectation. There is only so much talent to go around in an offseason at a dumpster diving price.

One mistake I would say he made was not signing obviously athletic, hungry talent that was not I. The right system to succeed. A la ginn, Mitchell. And then we had an opportunity to sign a talent like mikell who was a top five safety statistically. Options like that weren't really available this offseason.

Say we signed Collins who went to tampa that was 15 million guaranteed compared to 13. And hardy is obviously the more talented player.

This season was lost because of hardys poo, cams surgery/injuries and Ron reverting back to his former self for the most part

Pretty accurate assessment.

I can't get past this notion that people think it would have been a great idea to throw money at players who, although they still suck, don't suck quite as bad as the guys we paid less money.

How in the hell does spending more money on bad players qualify as a solid team building strategy?

[fjblair]

Gettleman came in specifically stating he wasn't just going to throw everyone out and replace them with his own people.

 

And only an idiot would fire a head coach coming off that kind of season with a future looking bright.

 

Well, only an idiot would gut that team and that is exactly what he did. Gettleman is sh!t with or without Rivera but the buck stops with our beloved owner. After 20 years wit is pretty easy to connect the dots.

[Mr. Scot]

Well, only an idiot would gut that team and that is exactly what he did. Gettleman is sh!t with or without Rivera but the buck stops with our beloved owner. After 20 years wit is pretty easy to connect the dots.

 

Gutted the team...riiiiight.

 

There's this thing called a salary ca...you know what, nevermind

 

[Mr. Scot]

Okay, so in light of today's events, do we now see Rivera being replaced as more likely or less likely?

 

(I've heard both)

 

[electro's horse]

As far as Gettleman extending Rivera, it doesn't mean much either way.

 

In the NFL, if you're coaching in the last year of your contract, it's considered a massive slap in the face and basically a guarantee you won't be back. Harbaugh this year, Fox for the Panthers. 

 

and it's not like rivera is expensive or anything. 

[electro's horse]

and keep in mind, it's not like anyone here was complaining about the rivera extension when it happened. Gettleman really didn't have a choice.

 

it wouldn't be hard to pull up a thread from the offseason where people who criticized rivera and the way the team played offense were ripped to shreds by the frothing masses.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't really have an opinion on that topic, but others do.