Adrian Peterson's appeal denied

[MadHatter]

Dont get it twisted I have my opinions on domestic violence and beating kids and such but thats for my own household is really my point im trying to make. Everyone else and I that arent directly involved with him should just ignore it as its not our problem

Domestic and child abuse is NOT just a household's problem.....it is not just between a man and his wife or a man and his kid. It is all of our problem...and that is the only way anything is done about it.

[Anybodyhome]

Am I the only cynic who finds this just a little disingenuous?

 

Sorry, but I'm not about to crown multi-million dollar athletes who play games for a living as the standard bearers for our societal woes. They're not role models, they're not the messengers of all things great and good and I certainly don't believe I could walk in their shoes any better than they could walk in mine. We live in 2 completely different worlds and I don't need their lectures.  

 

[Anybodyhome]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12021489/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-disappointed-nfl-disciplinary-process-thought-retirement

 

And, no, Adrian Peterson has not been found guilty of anything. He plead no contest, which is a far cry from being told by a jury, "You're a child abuser..."

 

"The running back, who was indicted by a grand jury in September for recklessly injuring his 4-year-old son while disciplining him with a switch, said he saw his son at a counselor's office in Minnesota last week for the first time since the incident.

"He was running to me, and he jumped in my arms," Peterson said. "I know the counselor is thinking, 'This is not what I expected.' The kid jumped in my arms. He was rubbing my head, pulling me to go play with him."

 

Peterson said he's now able to see his son regularly. He spoke passionately about his relationship with his son and the criticism he's received during the last several months, saying media coverage of the case and comments from public officials have unfairly portrayed him as a child abuser. He said several allegations that first emerged in reports about the incident -- like the one that he put leaves in his son's mouth while he whipped him -- were false, and added he's already been approached by several millionaires about starting a charity to raise awareness about domestic violence.

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Anyone here remember a still relatively young wide receiver by the name of Donte Stallworth? He of the New Orleans Saints who plead guilty to being under the influence while driving a car that struck and killed a pedestrian in Florida in 2008? He was suspended for a single season and AP will actually be officially suspended longer then Stallworth was.

 

How about Leonard Little? Played his entire 12-year career with the Rams as a LB/DE. He was over twice the legal limit when he struck and killed a woman in a vehicle accident in 1998. Leonard Little was suspended for 8 games of the 1999 season, far less than the AP suspension.

 

And again in 2004 he was arrested for driving under the influence after failing 3 field sobriety tests and admitting to police he had been drinking. He was acquitted of the DUI but convicted of speeding. The NFL effected no punishment.

 

[rodeo]

 

Welts, bruises, small cuts and scratches may be very easily interpreted as requiring nothing but simple first aid. So, it's not okay for Adrian Peterson but it is okay for some school teacher?

 

Another person who didn't look at the released photos. They were taken a week later and still showed significant open, bleeding wounds. Imagine what they looked like a week prior.

 

He tortured his child.

 

[Tub of Goo]

Pretty simple, if you did this to the neighbors kid you'd be in jail for a longgg time. But just cause it's your child makes it ok? Lol

[Anybodyhome]

Another person who didn't look at the released photos. They were taken a week later and still showed significant open, bleeding wounds. Imagine what they looked like a week prior.

 

He tortured his child.

 

 

I'm simply pointing out the relative terminology being used throughout arguments all over this board.

 

I have not expressed my opinion on this case and I'm not qualified as a legal expert or an expert medical witness who would be able to testify to such things as many on an internet message board seem to believe they are capable of.

 

And clearly there is a wide range of opinions as to the definition of the word "torture."

[thefuzz]

I'm simply pointing out the relative terminology being used throughout arguments all over this board.

 

I have not expressed my opinion on this case and I'm not qualified as a legal expert or an expert medical witness who would be able to testify to such things as many on an internet message board seem to believe they are capable of.

 

And clearly there is a wide range of opinions as to the definition of the word "torture."

 

 

Can't believe that I'm agreeing with you here, but I certainly am.

 

 

I don't think there are many people in America that could look at those pictures and not think that AP is/was an animal, just totally out of line, but he has served his time/gotten his punishment.

 

 

Personally, and this surprises me, as I'm a crazy fan of the NFL, but I'm getting quite turned off by what's going on here.

 

 

Games in Toronto, London, new rules, litigation, concussion lawsuits, painkiller lawsuits, Union vs. Owners, Goodell, etc.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

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Anyone here remember a still relatively young wide receiver by the name of Donte Stallworth? He of the New Orleans Saints who plead guilty to being under the influence while driving a car that struck and killed a pedestrian in Florida in 2008? He was suspended for a single season and AP will actually be officially suspended longer then Stallworth was.

 

How about Leonard Little? Played his entire 12-year career with the Rams as a LB/DE. He was over twice the legal limit when he struck and killed a woman in a vehicle accident in 1998. Leonard Little was suspended for 8 games of the 1999 season, far less than the AP suspension.

 

And again in 2004 he was arrested for driving under the influence after failing 3 field sobriety tests and admitting to police he had been drinking. He was acquitted of the DUI but convicted of speeding. The NFL effected no punishment.

Comparing today's societal expectations with those from years ago reminded me of this guy.

The only constant in life is change.

[rodeo]

Can't believe that I'm agreeing with you here, but I certainly am.

 

 

I don't think there are many people in America that could look at those pictures and not think that AP is/was an animal, just totally out of line, but he has served his time/gotten his punishment.

 

 

Personally, and this surprises me, as I'm a crazy fan of the NFL, but I'm getting quite turned off by what's going on here.

 

 

Games in Toronto, London, new rules, litigation, concussion lawsuits, painkiller lawsuits, Union vs. Owners, Goodell, etc.

 

The appeals guy said no, he hasn't served his punishment, that's why he wasn't reinstated. He'll be eligible again after the season. How is that unreasonable? Doesn't the NFL get to decide how to punish their employees?

 

[thefuzz]

The appeals guy said no, he hasn't served his punishment, that's why he wasn't reinstated. He'll be eligible again after the season. How is that unreasonable? Doesn't the NFL get to decide how to punish their employees?

 

 

The complete haphazard way that they are conduction business is troubling to me.  I'm fine with them keeping him off the field for crimes committed, but it needs to be across the board.

 

 

Honestly, I would have cut him from my team after seeing the photos, but that's a different story all together.

[Anybodyhome]

The appeals guy said no, he hasn't served his punishment, that's why he wasn't reinstated. He'll be eligible again after the season. How is that unreasonable? Doesn't the NFL get to decide how to punish their employees?

 

 

I don't care how the NFL punishes its employees nor do I care how the legal system punishes its parties. But, since you asked, the players are not employed by the NFL. The players are employees of their respective franchises. The NFL doesn't pay AP's salary, the team does. But that's another argument for another time

 

The thread was completely derailed into yet another rehash of what AP did or didn't do according to all the social, moral, ethical, legal and medical experts who spend their time posting on the Huddle.

 

The issue is the manner in which the NFL is attempting to address and handle the AP case as well as several others they are currently faced with and the implications of imposing suspensions, leave with pay, lynchings or whatever else they decide to do as they continue to make up their rules on the fly.

 

That's the problem I have.

[Anybodyhome]

The complete haphazard way that they are conduction business is troubling to me.  I'm fine with them keeping him off the field for crimes committed, but it needs to be across the board.

 

 

Honestly, I would have cut him from my team after seeing the photos, but that's a different story all together.

 

You, team owner, as his employer (notice: team owner is employer, not the NFL) would have fired him. Totally understandable and acceptable. I get that and I understand that and I respect that decision.

 

But, as the owner of another franchise in the same business, am I not allowed to hire him to work for me since he's no longer employed by you?

 

Sure, I may have to face the fire and wrath of the social and moral stone-throwers and guardians of what's right and wrong in our world, but if I choose to hire him to work for me, do I not have that right? Or is he to be banished forever with no possibility of a second chance or the possibility of working within the profession he has spent the majority of his life?

 

[thefuzz]

You, team owner, as his employer (notice: team owner is employer, not the NFL) would have fired him. Totally understandable and acceptable. I get that and I understand that and I respect that decision.

 

But, as the owner of another franchise in the same business, am I not allowed to hire him to work for me since he's no longer employed by you?

 

Sure, I may have to face the fire and wrath of the social and moral stone-throwers and guardians of what's right and wrong in our world, but if I choose to hire him to work for me, do I not have that right? Or is he to be banished forever with no possibility of a second chance or the possibility of working within the profession he has spent the majority of his life?

 

 

 

This, and Hardy's situation is a total PR move, and I hope it blows up in the NFL's face.

 

 

AP should be allowed to work, as I have seen far greater crimes, and far less penalties in the past for NFL players.

 

 

Like I said, I'm wouldn't blink twice if the Vikings cut him, and it's their call to do so, however I don't like how the NFL is handling this, and keeping this man from trying to work.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Times change.

You guys need to stop living in the past.

It wasn't that long ago when we could rape our wives (wasn't called rape at the time) we were just exercising our God given rights as husbands.

Hardly anyone cared if women complained to the authorities and little was done to stop it.

Try getting away with that today and see what happens.

Times change.

The NFL is a business and they don't want wife and child beaters representing their brand. For some reason domestic abuse charges get the leagues' corporate sponsors all riled up.

Related factoid: Household purchasing decisions are primarily made by women in our society. Coincidentally, most women don't like to get beat by their men or have their children whipped with a switch. Connect the dots.

Football players that don't like the NFL's new policies towards abuse are welcome to consider creating their own football league. One that doesn't have rules about abusive behavior.

Anyone wonder how many corporate sponsors will be lining up to advertise with that league?

Yeah, me neither.

The NFL: It's not a game... it's a multi-billion dollar business.