Time to cut DeAngelo Williams.

[PantherFanOne]

All players have to be let go at some point,seems nows the time for DeAngelo's departure.

 

[Mol3m4n]

There is literally no point. We have youngins chompin at the bit

It would give depth and one more year to draft a young running back. I could see it being a nice gesture on both sides of the table. Say Deangelo wants to stay and Jerry wants him to remain a Panther for his career.

I don't want it to happen, and is very unlikely that it would, but stranger things have happened.

[CRA]

He needs to be cut, but saying he's our fourth-best back is just flat-out ignorant. He's clearly better than Tolbert and Fozzy hasn't had enough time to say otherwise.

We aren't comparing careers....

2014 Williams was not better than 2014 Fozzy. Youth. Simple and plain

Tolbert....He is a totally different RB with different assignments and expectations...You give Tolbert a job and Williams a job....Williams at this late stage wasn't a better bet to get his done.

People let what Williams was as a NFL RB influence what they believe he still is. Fozzy basically in 2014 was Williams when Foster was here last.

[CRA]

It would give depth and one more year to draft a young running back. I could see it being a nice gesture on both sides of the table. Say Deangelo wants to stay and Jerry wants him to remain a Panther for his career.

I don't want it to happen, and is very unlikely that it would, but stranger things have happened.

Unless a RB retires early.....you DON'T want a RB to be a "career" player for your team

And all rumors suggests Williams isn't this loved dude that some fans seem to think he is...he just has hired people that make him attractive to fans from a social media stand point

[Mol3m4n]

Unless a RB retires early.....you DON'T want a RB to be a "career" player for your team

And all reports suggests Williams isn't this loved dude that some fans seem to think he is

I'm an all pro. I have the low down. That's not to say Jerry doesn't love the guy though. I'm not big on Deangelo anymore, but would you be upset if he took a large pay cut and dropped to the second back role?

And I would hope every one of my players would be good enough to be franchise players. It just doesn't happen though.

[Mol3m4n]

Also, I can't be the only one that is kind of careful declaring Fozzy the next Emmit Smith?

[CRA]

Where is this idea he can't play coming from? He was good the first game and was, on average, pretty good in 2013. If he didn't have this contract nobody would be complaining.

I will take DeAngelo Williams over Fozzy Whittaker as a starter. Call me a moron, but I don't trust a guy with 60 career carries to be starter if Stew goes down.

He does have his contract....so you can't dismiss what essentially is what it all boils down to

I don't trust a 32 yr old RB who played the way Williams did last year. Fozzy is more of a playmaker than Williams now.....and making plays is all that matters....not history.

[TN05]

We aren't comparing careers....

2014 Williams was not better than 2014 Fozzy. Youth. Simple and plain

Tolbert....He is a totally different RB with different assignments and expectations...You give Tolbert a job and Williams a job....Williams at this late stage wasn't a better bet to get his done.

People let what Williams was as a NFL RB influence what they believe he still is.

 

You are getting to the right point on Tolbert. He's a short-yardage back. I'd argue Fozzy is ideal as a change-of-pace scat back - somebody you wouldn't give more than 10-20% of carries to. The one game we gave Fozzy a substantial workload (against Cincinnati), he averaged 2.8 yards and had a long of 6 yards.

The problem therein is that, if (god forbid) Stewart goes down, that's what we're stuck with - a purely short-yardage back and a scat back. DeAngelo Williams, for whatever it's worth, is average if he has a reasonably good line. He's not a starter, and we are really in trouble for paying him like one. But, as a starter, I'd take him over Fozzy or Tolbert.

That being said, if he does come back, I wouldn't give him more than 15% of carries. Jonathan Stewart should get the vast majority of our designed running plays, Tolbert should get the short-yardage plays along with screens, and DeAngelo Williams is ideal as a change-of-pace guy. If the line plays like they did towards the end of the year, and you beat the other team up with Stewart and Tolbert the whole game, I bet you DeAngelo could break off a long one. He'd also be an ideal mentor for Fozzy in that regard.

[TN05]

He does have his contract....so you can't dismiss what essentially is what it all boils down to

I don't trust a 32 yr old RB who played the way Williams did last year. Fozzy is more of a playmaker than Williams now.....and making plays is all that matters....not history

Fozzy made plays in a very specific role - runner/receiver scat back. I don't think he's had enough of a workload to establish if he can be a #2 back.

[Mol3m4n]

You are getting to the right point on Tolbert. He's a short-yardage back. I'd argue Fozzy is ideal as a change-of-pace scat back - somebody you wouldn't give more than 10-20% of carries to. The one game we gave Fozzy a substantial workload (against Cincinnati), he averaged 2.8 yards and had a long of 6 yards.

The problem therein is that, if (god forbid) Stewart goes down, that's what we're stuck with - a purely short-yardage back and a scat back. DeAngelo Williams, for whatever it's worth, is average if he has a reasonably good line. He's not a starter, and we are really in trouble for paying him like one. But, as a starter, I'd take him over Fozzy or Tolbert.

That being said, if he does come back, I wouldn't give him more than 15% of carries. Jonathan Stewart should get the vast majority of our designed running plays, Tolbert should get the short-yardage plays along with screens, and DeAngelo Williams is ideal as a change-of-pace guy. If the line plays like they did towards the end of the year, and you beat the other team up with Stewart and Tolbert the whole game, I bet you DeAngelo could break off a long one. He'd also be an ideal mentor for Fozzy in that regard.

Agree 100%

[CRA]

I'm an all pro. I have the low down. That's not to say Jerry doesn't love the guy though. I'm not big on Deangelo anymore, but would you be upset if he took a large pay cut and dropped to the second back role?

And I would hope every one of my players would be good enough to be franchise players. It just doesn't happen though.

I'd have no issue if Williams was a slightly above vet min type guy who was 3rd on the depth chart...

But that isn't the case....and I don't want two 30 yr old RBs behind Stewart. That is big too. Isn't a smart backfield. Need youth

[AU-panther]

You are getting to the right point on Tolbert. He's a short-yardage back. I'd argue Fozzy is ideal as a change-of-pace scat back - somebody you wouldn't give more than 10-20% of carries to. The one game we gave Fozzy a substantial workload (against Cincinnati), he averaged 2.8 yards and had a long of 6 yards.

The problem therein is that, if (god forbid) Stewart goes down, that's what we're stuck with - a purely short-yardage back and a scat back. DeAngelo Williams, for whatever it's worth, is average if he has a reasonably good line. He's not a starter, and we are really in trouble for paying him like one. But, as a starter, I'd take him over Fozzy or Tolbert.

That being said, if he does come back, I wouldn't give him more than 15% of carries. Jonathan Stewart should get the vast majority of our designed running plays, Tolbert should get the short-yardage plays along with screens, and DeAngelo Williams is ideal as a change-of-pace guy. If the line plays like they did towards the end of the year, and you beat the other team up with Stewart and Tolbert the whole game, I bet you DeAngelo could break off a long one. He'd also be an ideal mentor for Fozzy in that regard.

 

If they do let Williams go I would assume they will add another RB to the roster.  Fozzy would not be the only backup.

[Kakarot]

Been time.

[Mol3m4n]

I'd have no issue if Williams was a slightly above vet min type guy who was 3rd on the depth chart...

But that isn't the case....and I don't want two 30 yr old RBs behind Stewart. That is big too. Isn't a smart backfield. Need youth

Say 2 million.

Cut Tolbert.

Low end free agent or late round pick. (I would be ecstatic with Gurley.)