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Trent Cole makes a lot of sense.

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He was an early down DE in all those years. He was clearly the #1 in that DL and no, he wasn't a subpackage player that only played on 3rd downs. A friend of mine who is an Eagles fan is laughing on the floor reading this thread.

 

In fact he's telling me that Jim Johnson D was a 2-gap scheme meaning the DL players are reading the play & reacting instead of shooting gaps.

 

His PFF run stats doesn't matter one bit. I believe C.Johnson had a negative run grade this year and nobody will say that he's a pass rush specialist that doesn't "play the run at all" or that he doesn't play in 1st down.

Clearly he wasn't a sub package player. No one here has said that. 

 

I can't comment if the early years of JJ's defense were 2 gaps or not, but that wouldn't really change the fact that Trent Cole was a pass rusher first and foremost. I mean I don't think your eagles fan friend would come out and say JJ was ever really concerned with stopping the run. 

 

yeah they do because they track individual plays and they're a useful metric to evaluate players. CJ was terrible this year in most facets of the game due to a lot of issues. I have no idea what point you're trying to make and I suspect you don't really know what you're saying either. 

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the entire premise of my post was that some guys who split time between coming out of a stance or standing up in a LBer position do not translate well to playing the style of DE that carolina utilizes for its 4-3. you clearly didn't understand what i was saying.

 

He played the traditional 43 role for 6 years: was an awesome DE.

 

He played 2 years of wide-9 DE, a strong scheme to produce pass rush but not very good as a run D scheme: was an awesome DE.

 

He played 2 years of 34 OLB: was a mediocre-at-best OLB.

 

 

Ask any Philly fan. He will not be remembered as an OLB by anyone who has some sense of football knowledge. Period.

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Who's the foo who asked the stupid question, can he play DE?

The man played DE. He played DE!

Oh lawd. Someone help you please.

So ignoring the intricacies of different positions are you willing to concede that as a player ages his abilities might facilitate a change to a different position and that using his previous experience as an indicator for future performance might be short sighted?

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Who's the foo who asked the stupid question, can he play DE?

The man played DE. He played DE!

Oh lawd. Someone help you please.

 

at first i felt bad about wanting to make a joke about a village in laos missing its idiot, but now that i realize you're willfully stupid i'll go ahead and make it

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He played the traditional 43 role for 6 years: was an awesome DE.

 

He played 2 years of wide-9 DE, a strong scheme to produce pass rush but not very good as a run D scheme: was an awesome DE.

 

He played 2 years of 34 OLB: was a mediocre-at-best OLB.

 

 

Ask any Philly fan. He will not be remembered as an OLB by anyone who has some sense of football knowledge. Period.

 

i'm not asking how he'll be remembered, i'm asking if his playing level as an OLB will be the same as a DE. why was he moved to OLB in the first place?

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His age is not going to impact a different position! WTH

However, his age will impact his playing time. I can agree that Cole will probably serve best as a situational pass rusher. But are you kidding me? I'm not gonna bite that bullshit.

 

so you agree with the role i described for him in the first post in this thread

 

thank you and i'll accept that as an apology for your brute idiocy. 

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a cursory search reveals that trent cole had a shitty season in 2012, his last year playing DE. chip kelly stated that the move to OLB was intended to maximize his physical abilities.

 

in other words we have a 32-year-old who was a fading talent at DE when he was 29, found a new niche as an OLB, and now suddenly it's incredibly stupid to ask if there could be some fall-off in production if he moves back to the type of DE we play and he played during his prime in the mid-2000s?

 

 

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Trent Cole was born on October 5, 1982, He will turn 33 years old early in this next NFL season.  That's definitive.

 

33 years old. That alone makes it unlikely we sign him.

 

Not impossible, but very improbable. Not something I would bet my house on.

 

 

 

 

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BECAUSE THE TEAM SWITCHED FROM A 43 to a 34!!!

lol

 

i didn't know that, so touche. i concede the point. 

 

however my original point stands independently of philadelphia's scheme: regardless of why he switched, is it unreasonable to consider the possibility that he might not play DE for us as well as he played similar-style DE last time he played, which was in the prime of his career?

 

it's a pretty simple point and i honestly can't see how it isn't glaringly obvious

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