Cam after 4 years

[MadHatter]

Some players you have to do that with. Sadly, it seems Cam would excel in that.

Actually, Cam is about where I expected him to be in year 4. People forget that he was a bit of a project from a passing game perspective coming out of college.

Guy is still developing, and has improved each year.

[London Loves Luke]

Some players you have to do that with. Sadly, it seems Cam would excel in that.

This is just wrong, no huddle helps the Oline more than it helps Cam, which obviously gives Cam more time to throw. It's not like you have to run no huddle for Cam to put up numbers.

[nctarheel0619]

Actually, Cam is about where I expected him to be in year 4. People forget that he was a bit of a project from a passing game perspective coming out of college.

Guy is still developing, and has improved each year.

 

I think his first year stats make people want more out of him.  Even though in 2013 he did improve his passing number, not rushing by any stretch though.  

[nctarheel0619]

He played 5 games with the improved o-line.

 

 

WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost

 

 

14 12/07  @ NO W   41-10 1 1 21 33 63.6 226 6.8 3 0 0 0 114.0 12 83 6.9 1 1 0   15 12/14  TB W   19-17 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --   16 12/21 CLE W   17-13 1 1 18 31 58.1 201 6.5 1 1 1 6 74.8 12 63 5.3 1 1 0   17 12/28  @ ATL W   34-3 1 1 10 16 62.5 114 7.1 1 0 1 2 104.7 6 51 8.5 1 -- --

 

 

18 01/03 ARI W   27-16 1 1 18 32 56.3 198 6.2 2 1 1 0 82.6 7 35 5.0 0 1 1   19 01/10 @ SEA L   17-31 1 1 23 36 63.9 246 6.8 2 2 2 16 79.2 11 37 3.4 0 2 1

 

Was 'great' @NO, solid against CLE, 'great' @ATL though not being asked to do much since we dominated, solid vs ARI -- an elite defense. And he was borderline elite @SEA. Played better vs. their elite secondary than Manning, Rodgers, and Brady all did (yes Brady put up better stats in the SB, but realize the Hawks' secondary was missing Lane, and Sherman and Thomas were both hurt significantly and had surgery after the game) and that's with a significantly worse supporting cast around him than all 3 of those QBs, and it was in Seattle (only Rodgers played against them there of the 3 I mentioned), a much tougher environment than the Super Bowls. No QB in the league could've done much better than that with Cotchery as a starter and Byron Bell as LT. 

 

My question to you is, if he puts up the same type of numbers this year as last, then what?  Eventually the excuses have to run out to fans like yourself.  I think he is just the way he is.  Do I hope I'm wrong?  fug yes I do.  But what you see is what you get with Cam in my opinion.  What we see is good, but not great, and sometimes horrible at times.  

[London Loves Luke]

My question to you is, if he puts up the same type of numbers this year as last, then what? Eventually the excuses have to run out to fans like yourself. I think he is just the way he is. Do I hope I'm wrong? fug yes I do. But what you see is what you get with Cam in my opinion. What we see is good, but not great, and sometimes horrible at times.

Dude what are you talking about? Have a look at the stats, asking him to do more is asking him to be more productive than any other QB in history across their first 4 seasons.

Just tell me which QB would have done more last season with our offensive line and receiver situation. I'd put my house on the line that Cam will be MUCH improved over last season.

[nctarheel0619]

Dude what are you talking about? Have a look at the stats, asking him to do more is asking him to be more productive than any other QB in history across their first 4 seasons.

Just tell me which QB would have done more last season with our offensive line and receiver situation. I'd put my house on the line that Cam will be MUCH improved over last season.

Russell Wilson led his team to the Super Bowl with an offensive line that is mediocre and zero receivers on offense worth a damn.  He almost won the damn Super Bowl on his own because Brady torched that secondary of Seattle's.  All I'm gonna say is, I hope I'm wrong and you're correct, sir.  

[Nick_81]

Russell Wilson led his team to the Super Bowl with an offensive line that is mediocre and zero receivers on offense worth a damn.  He almost won the damn Super Bowl on his own because Brady torched that secondary of Seattle's.  All I'm gonna say is, I hope I'm wrong and you're correct, sir.  

Beast Mode + elite defense had a much bigger impact in that success than Wilson.  I don't think he's a terrible QB either, but that's the main difference, IMO.

[CelibatePimp]

Russell Wilson led his team to the Super Bowl with an offensive line that is mediocre and zero receivers on offense worth a damn. He almost won the damn Super Bowl on his own because Brady torched that secondary of Seattle's. All I'm gonna say is, I hope I'm wrong and you're correct, sir.

Wilson's oline was worse than ours true but don't you think there is a reason SEA brought back an aging RB for significantly more money? When they leaned on his arm, he threw 4 INT against GB but SEA still won.

[tiger7_88]

Color me old school but he doesn't look too good when you look at passing stats alone. I want him to improve on his passing and hopefully the new weapons and no huddle helps him do that.

Do rushing TDs not count for 6 points like passing TDs?

"I want him to improve on his passing."

Wow. I think you're onto something previously undiscovered here. Cam still has room for improvement in his passing game? EUREKA!

[MadHatter]

I think his first year stats make people want more out of him. Even though in 2013 he did improve his passing number, not rushing by any stretch though.

Agreed.

His rookie season was more on instinct. I really think he is professing in so many aspects of the game and us becoming a smarter and well balanced QB.

I actually expect big steps this year.

[CelibatePimp]

Do rushing TDs not count for 6 points like passing TDs?

Wow. I think you're onto something previously undiscovered here. Cam still has room for improvement in his passing game? EUREKA!

If you do agree with me, why quote me and be sarcastic about it? Some of you get so sensitive when a flaw is mentioned in Cam's game.

And playing part time RB is not a sustainable way to QB. Let him concentrate on helping the WR earn their money and leave the running to the RB and FB.

[tiger7_88]

If you do agree with me, why quote me and be sarcastic about it? Some of you get so sensitive when a flaw is mentioned in Cam's game.

And playing part time RB is not a sustainable way to QB. Let him concentrate on helping the WR earn their money and leave the running to the RB and FB.

Why would you restrict him to just one aspect of a dual-game he's the BEST at?

I'm of an age that I got to see Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker run the ball in college and after their college careers were over I knew there'd never be another two like them and I was right. They were UNIQUE.

Then I saw Bo play 2 major league professional sports at an All-Star level and I knew I'd never see the like again and I was right. He was ONE OF A KIND.

Well, I've seen another one in my 5+ decades on this earth and his name is Cam Newton. He's unique. He's one of a kind. A true dual threat able to attack a defense in more than "the way NFL QBs do it".

And you want to trot him out on the field every Sunday in a straight jacket. I find that incredibly sad.

[CelibatePimp]

Kaep did a lot with his dual threat ability under Harbaugh. RW also uses it a bit. Even Luck can run it but he doesn't do it often so Cam is not unique in that sense. To me, I see QB who use it as poor passers who don't trust their arm. It's easy but it takes a toll on your development as a passer. See Kaep last season as well as Wilson (who is still not a good pocket passer).

[SOJA]

Kaep does not throw nearly as many INTs as I thought he would