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Russell Wilson or Elite Defense

ZeroZeroSeven

By ZeroZeroSeven,
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Russell Wilson/Franchise QB vs Elite Defense  

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  1. 1. Which would you invest in?

    • Russell Wilson/Franchise QB
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    • Elite Defense
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    • Both - but O-line/WR/RB suffers
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This should make for an interesting discussion.

Say you're the GM of the Seattle Seahawks right now.  Do you pony up and pay Wilson at the risk of diluting your elite defense?  Or do you keep the elite defense intact but take a gamble on finding another franchise QB?  For arguments sake, let's assume Cam's contract is the floor for Wilson's contract.

I chose elite defense, because I can't justify investing a mega contract in Russell Wilson when I think you can credit a lot of his success to beast mode and that defense keeping the pressure off of him.  

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Put it this way. Seattle just extended their 29 year old running back before their 26 year old quarterback.

If you take Lynch, and the Seahawks defense out of the picture, are they even in the playoffs?

Wilson is good, but to call Cam's contract "the floor for Wilson's contract" is laughable.

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Wilson will get paid more than Cam, but you put Cam on that team last year and they would have blown the Patriots out of the building. You need a QB more than ever in this league but look at the Texans who went 9-7 with Mallet, Savage, and Fitzpatrick as their QBs. Also look at Alex Smith with the Chiefs in 2013.

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Put it this way. Seattle just extended their 29 year old running back before their 26 year old quarterback.

You take Lynch and the Seahawks defense out of the picture, are they even in the playoffs?

Wilson is good, but to call Cam's contract "the floor for Wilson's contract" is laughable.

​Is it really?  First 3 years in the NFL.

 

Cam has thrown about 450 more yards per season, 8 less passing TD's, and 16 more INT's.  Russell has a rating of 98 while Cam is around 85.

 

Has Cam had to do more?  Yes, but I think that Wilson could handle more than he is given, if they need him to.  Cam is a better/more physical runner, but that's not what you pay your QB to do, and Wilson isn't too shabby.

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Huddle logic: Cams contract will not tear apart our defense. Wilsons contract will tear apart Seattles defense. 

​If Seattle/Carolina continue to draft well, this is all a moot point.  However at some point, you have to decide who you pay and who you let walk.  For the record, I think Seattle will continue to have a good defense, but I don't think it will continue to be elite.

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Huddle logic: Cams contract will not tear apart our defense. Wilsons contract will tear apart Seattles defense. 

Considering that Wilson will be getting paid more than Cam, that Seattle is paying RBs like Carolina used to, that they just picked up Graham, and that Seattle's defense is built on mega-stars that are all hitting FA at the same time... yes, it's likely.

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Wilson will get paid more than Cam, but you put Cam on that team last year and they would have blown the Patriots out of the building. You need a QB more than ever in this league but look at the Texans who went 9-7 with Mallet, Savage, and Fitzpatrick as their QBs. Also look at Alex Smith with the Chiefs in 2013.

Because chemistry is such a big deal the what if game is impossible. Ask Denver. Ask Patriots when they had Randy Moss. Ask the Lakers with Karl Malone.
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Put it this way. Seattle just extended their 29 year old running back before their 26 year old quarterback.

If you take Lynch, and the Seahawks defense out of the picture, are they even in the playoffs?

Wilson is good, but to call Cam's contract "the floor for Wilson's contract" is laughable.

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​Is it really?  First 3 years in the NFL.

 

Cam has thrown about 450 more yards per season, 8 less passing TD's, and 16 more INT's.  Russell has a rating of 98 while Cam is around 85.

 

Has Cam had to do more?  Yes, but I think that Wilson could handle more than he is given, if they need him to.  Cam is a better/more physical runner, but that's not what you pay your QB to do, and Wilson isn't too shabby.

​Add to that, Wilson has 3 playoff appearances, 2 SB appearances and an SB win.  I would take Cam any day of the week and twice on Tuesday's over Wilson, but based on what Wilson has done to this point, somebody will pay him more than Cam.

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​Is it really?  First 3 years in the NFL.

 

Cam has thrown about 450 more yards per season, 8 less passing TD's, and 16 more INT's.  Russell has a rating of 98 while Cam is around 85.

 

Has Cam had to do more?  Yes, but I think that Wilson could handle more than he is given, if they need him to.  Cam is a better/more physical runner, but that's not what you pay your QB to do, and Wilson isn't too shabby.

​What is any young QB's best friend? That's right, a dangerous ground game.

When was the last time the Carolina Panthers had a 1,000 yard RB? 2009.

Let's see here. Lynch with Wilson his first 3 seasons: (this is only including his rushing numbers by the way, he's a lethal receiving threat as well)

2012: 1,590 yards, 11 touchdowns

2013: 1,257 yards, 12 touchdowns

2014: 1,306 yards, 13 touchdowns

You cannot understate, even the slightest, the impact that Lynch has on that offense, and how that opens up their passing game. He's arguably the best RB in the league.

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Good timing on this thread; I watched 3-4 games worth of film on Wilson this morning. I wanted to see for myself if he's really as good as he's hyped to be. He isn't. He is an athlete with fairly raw and inconsistent quarterback skills. His film reminded me a lot of Mike Vick from 10-12 years ago. Can make big plays with his arm, but his legs are more important. He is the definition of a game manager. Their system makes him look good; Darell Bevell makes things very easy on him. The bottom line: He needs Bevell and the rest of Seattle's support system far more than Seattle needs him.

 

Edit: I'd love to see the Seahawks give Wilson $100 million. They'd be putting their money in exactly the wrong place. But if I were their GM, I definitely wouldn't do it. 

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Luck is the guy who is going to get paid huge. Wilson deserves his payday, but the people talking up historical contracts for him are out of their minds.

Andrew Luck has been putting up ridiculous numbers with exactly who at RB?

Think about where Indy would be with Lynch on that roster.

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