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75 man cuts predictions

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You don't think Redden's interception buys him a little more time?

Fair point, kinda forgot that was him. Then maybe Lou Young? I know there were reports he was playing well earlier, but I think he's been banged up and Heath has been a nice find at his position. 

I was wondering about when Kelvin can go on IR, and also about Presley's status on the PUP, whether he counts against the 75.  If we only need to make 13 cuts, I'll revise my list above.

It's entirely possible Kelvin can't go to IR until AFTER they cut to 75, I'm not sure about the timeline myself. In that case maybe 14 cuts, then Kelvin placed on IR, then another signing, re-signing, or activation of Presley. 

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oh the boy has good hands. Thing is boy can't get open. 

 

Bersin's hands + Philly = solid #2

Makes sense.  Pie for the response and in apology for accusing you of trolling!  Agree that it would be nice to have a Brown - Bersin hybrid, best of both in one guy.

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David Newton has an interesting blog entry up with some of the snap counts from last night.  Sheds some light on the roster battles...

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/15316/what-snap-counts-mean-for-panthers-shaq-thompson-corey-brown-and-others

See also this tweet from BBR

 

but how much will that effect the first cuts? I would think the number of snaps next game will determine the bubble players for the 53. I can't see us cutting a RB this Tuesday.

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Can anyone tell me the strengths & weaknesses of Miley vs. Miller.  I confess I've got them lumped together in my brain and I'm not sure why we would keep one vs. the other.  I know there's been some talk of keeping one or both on the PS...

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Can anyone tell me the strengths & weaknesses of Miley vs. Miller.  I confess I've got them lumped together in my brain and I'm not sure why we would keep one vs. the other.  I know there's been some talk of keeping one or both on the PS...

I can't say much about which one is ahead of the other in the coaches' minds, but... when Voth tweeted earlier about Marlowe being the best bet for an UDFA making the team, I mentioned Miller/Miley given our DE situation and he pointed out the snaps from last night. 

@BlackBlueReview 

@Justin_Pollard miley played 4 snaps last night. week 1 hero cox - 7. miller … not sure about 53 … but he played 19

So it would seem Miller is currently ahead in that race. 

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In case it's helpful, here are the PFF grades for our top 5 players from the games against Buffalo & Miami.  I'll post the New England game grades once they're available:

Miami game:

OT Daryl Williams +2.7

2. CB Teddy Williams +2.4

3. DE Kony Ealy +1.6

4. CB Melvin White +1.4

5. FS Dean Marlowe + 1.4

 

Buffalo game:

Top 5 Graded Players

Daryl Williams (+2.4)

Tony Hills (+1.6)

Dean Marlowe (+1.3)

Kelvin Benjamin (+1.1)

Cam Newton (+1.1)

 

I would suggest this data would make it VERY likely that Dean Marlowe makes the team.  I'm not sure at whose expense though.  I have him as a lock for the PS, but it's hard for me to squeeze him on the 53, especially as I'm giving higher priority to offense (26 players) than defense (24 players) in my current version of the roster, largely due to the uncertainty at WR.

 

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Looking at this from another POV, by position group.

 

QB (3)

RB (7: 5 HB, 2 FB)

Don't see any cuts between those first two groups, at least not yet. 

WR (12) - 2 Projected cuts

Kelvin will go to IR, but I believe we have to officially cut to 75 first. Presley is already on PUP, and won't count toward the roster count until he passes a physical. We haven't filled his spot, so we only have to cut 14 to get to 75. I'm also projecting two other cuts from this group: Capers and Browning. 

TE (7) - 1 Projected cut

Olsen and Dickson aren't going anywhere, seems likely Brockel sticks around too if healthy. They're gonna wanna see Brandon Williams in a game situation and Simonson and Lucas have played well enough to make the 75. Newest Panther Dallas Walker gets the ax, however. 

OL (16: 3 C, 5 G, 8 T) - 3 Projected cuts

Gonna have to change this one up a bit from my previous prediction in which I had 4 cuts: C Jordan McCray, G Ricky Henry, T Tony Hills, T Davonte Wallace. The biggest problem being that, without McCray, we may not have a healthy center for the final preseason game. And if all the starters sit, we're looking at only 6 healthy linemen for the game. I'll stick with the other 3, but McCray survives for now. 

DL (16: 9 DT, 7 DE) - 2 Projected cuts (later amended to 3, see below)

I think the team may want to see a bit more from their current group of DEs, which is already kinda thin for the 90-man (this was amended as I got further into this, see below). Though they trim a pair of DTs in Alecxih and Horsley.

LB (10) - 2 Projected cuts

Arguably our deepest position, to the point that a (healthy) draft pick may not make the squad for the first time in the Gettleman era. Mayo may not make the 53, but I think he gets to the 75 at least. Reddick and Blechen fall off the roster here, though. 

DB (15: 8 CB, 7 S) - 2 Projected cuts

I think our CB group is pretty underrated this year, obviously you've got Norman, Peanut, and Benwikere, but then White, Heath, and Teddy Williams have all looked good too. I've got Byndom surviving here with Young getting cut. Likewise we kinda know our top 4 safeties, and we seem to like Marlowe and Lester as well, so Ball is the odd man out. 

ST (4) - 1 Projected cut

Backup punter Matt Wile gets cut for like the 4th time.

At 13, I'm still one short. IF they can count Kelvin to IR, then 13 is all that's necessary, but again I'm not sure that's the case. They could trim in one of several places, for example(s): OL (Foucault, McCray), WR (Mike Brown), DE (Miley), CB (Byndom), LB (Mayo), etc. Though it'll probably be somewhere I haven't mentioned. 

I maintain that the linemen are safe, if only due to the need for healthy bodies for this last game (but if Folkerts is healthy, I'm putting McCray back on this list), likewise I think Byndom will make it so they can rest Norman, Benwikere, and Tillman and still have 4 CBs. I think Mayo and Brown survive...so I guess Miley. As Voth pointed out, he only played 4 snaps last night, and fellow UDFA DE hopeful Steve Miller got 4x that. Don't tell Miley though, as he follows me on twitter. 

TL;DR: My 14 cuts are Browning, Capers, Walker, Henry, Hills, Wallace, Alexcih, Horsley, Miley, Blechen, Reddick, Ball, Young, Wile. 

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Nice analysis @jdpanther5.

Here's the list of those players whom folks have mentioned as potentially being cut in the first round.  Any who picked Capers have already got 1 right as that cut has been announced already..

Update:  I guess Bersin also needs a vote on this list, as I didn't initally tally the comment about cutting Bersin because I wasn't sure it was serious.

votesNameAgeExp.
4Blechen, Brian230
4Browning, Paul230
4Capers, Avius230
4Henry, Ricky283
4Horsley, Kenny271
4Reddick, Kevin252
4Walker, Dallas271
4Wallace, Davonte232
4Wile, Matt230
3Alecxih, Chas261
3Hills, Tony307
3McCray, Jordan231
3Young, Lou231
2Miley, Arthur220
2Todman, Jordan254
1Ball, Marcus282
1Byndom, Carrington231
1Cox, Rakim241
1Foucault, David262
1Jacobs, Ben273
1Lucas, Marcus231
1Miller, Steve230
1Redden, Terry220
1Regis, Micanor251
1Trusnik, Jason319
1Whittaker, Fozzy263
1Williams, Teddy274
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