It's Been a Slow Free Agency For Us...Or Has It?

[O-Ther]

2 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I started a conversation. That's the high point of this exchange imo. I guess this is a good example of why my mother told me to never speak to strangers.

 

It was not my intention to annoy you. I was merely trying to converse in a humorous manner. In the future, I will truly endeavor to avoid annoying you at all cost.

 

Now. Having said that. I would like to add. Yup, it is Gman's 4th year. Time flies when you're having fun. There are always going to be fans that have that "OOH I love that guy" mentality. Especially during the FA period. It's teh off-season. What else is there? If you find THAT annoying? Football cannot get here fast enough for you.

Still worried about me and what you think I find annoying? Bless your heart. That's why I love the Huddle. You know me so well in the 3+ years I've been here. Joined the Huddle a week after Gettleman signed here. He brought out my enthusiasm for the Panthers that Hurney had killed. Same enthusiasm that has me on pins and needles about who we're going to sign and draft, regardless of how many people say or think we should be acquiring X, Y and Z instead, because they recognize their name, or went to the same college, or what the talking heads on TV tell them would be a good fit for the Panthers.

People that say they trust Gettleman, then get pissy when he doesn't do what they want when they want it done, are the ones that I refer to as the annoying ones. And yes, football cannot get here fast enough for me. My money is set aside to pay for a replica of the Panthers Super Bowl ring. Just a matter of time.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

5 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

0 super bowls, and If you wanted to get technical 2013 was Hurney's team, 2014 was a joke 7 win team with the luck of falling into the worst division in all of football, and 2015 Cam becoming best player in the NFL.

 

We could of won the SB last month and I still wouldn't have change my stance on being more active in free agency. Its the climate of the NFL nowadays it hard to win it all just drafting players, look at the packers last season they lost Nelson didn't address  the problem and let Rodgers carry the load, mostly struggling through the season.

and yet after the packers lost nelson the sentiment on this site was "well they'll be fine because they have randall cobb and davante adams" lmao.  my how things change.

and yeah i agree with you i don't think you can give dave gettleman any credit at all for anything good the panthers have done.  it's either all a fluke or marty hurney is the responsible party.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

 

On 3/19/2016 at 10:30 AM, Mr. Scot said:

Ah, so you're back around to this stupid argument again, eh?

Someone else already took apart your assertions once before, but what the heck?  I'm in a mood.

Talib actually signed with the Broncos in March of 2014.  They were one and done in the playoffs that year.  And the Broncos MVP in their Super Bowl win was Von Miller, a guy they drafted.

Revis was signed not as a UFA but after being cut.  And using the Patriots as an example of a team that throws huge money at free agents is pretty ignorant anyway.  The Patriots have built exactly the kind of system we’re building and it’s the offense that drives that team anyway.

Bennett was originally an undrafted pickup of the Seahawks who signed a pretty modest contract (only 4.8 million, hardly a “splash” even then) to be part of what was already a super defense based mostly on – you guessed it – draft picks, and loads of ‘em.  Suggesting it was Bennett that made the difference on an already loaded defense is pretty silly.  But even if you do, that salary isn't a "splash" signing.  It's actually closer to the kind of deal Gettleman would make.

Boldin was acquired by trade in 2010. They lost in the division round the next two seasons but got to the Super Bowl the year after.  So again, calling a guy the ”difference maker” in their Super Bowl run when they didn’t get there until his third season with the team is a stretch even Plastic Man couldn’t make.

Vilma was a trade too, and was coming off injured reserve the year they got him.  They gave him a big contract a year later after he’d already spent a season on the squad.  Worth mentioning that Vilma was a big part of Bounty Gate, but the real fun here is you using the Saints as an example of great management.  What’s their record been the last few years again?

(seriously, you should just become a Saints fan)

These final two examples are your absolute dumbest, though.

Charles Woodson was signed in 2006.  The Packers made the Super Bowl four years later, mostly on the strength of Aaron Rodgers (you know, a guy they drafted).  Defense definitely wasn’t the strength of the team, and using the Packers as an example of a team that goes big in free agency is beyond laughable when it’s well known that the packers are considered the least active team in the free agent market on an annual basis.

Ah, but here’s the crown jewel.

You wanna credit the Giants Super Bowl win in the 2011 season to signing Rolle in 2010.  Definitely not the biggest distance in time among your choices here, so okay. 

But it actually brings up a more interesting question.

Who was the Giants Director of Pro Personnel in 2010, i.e. the guy who was responsible for scouting and choosing which free agents the team went after and how much they were worth?

See, I ask because if Antrel Rolle was the crucial piece the Giants needed per your argument, then that guy would have to get a lot of the credit, now wouldn’t he?

What was that guy's name again?

 

 

 

this is just an absolute thrashing.  my lord.

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

0 super bowls, and If you wanted to get technical 2013 was Hurney's team, 2014 was a joke 7 win team with the luck of falling into the worst division in all of football, and 2015 Cam becoming best player in the NFL.

 

We could of won the SB last month and I still wouldn't have change my stance on being more active in free agency. Its the climate of the NFL nowadays it hard to win it all just drafting players, look at the packers last season they lost Nelson didn't address  the problem and let Rodgers carry the load, mostly struggling through the season.

 

Sure, you can throw qualifiers around to make your point. But the truth of the matter is. Gman has been here 3 years, and we have been in the Playoffs every year. With a SuperB owl appearance to boot. Just because we don't bring in Top Shelf FA, how does that diminish our accomplishments?

 

Millions of fans would sell their souls to be in our situation. And most wouldn't complain because we don't bring in many Top Shelf FA. All they would care about is the success.

 

It is a proven fact that teams that aren't normally big players in FA. Are teams that are perennially good.

 

15 minutes ago, O-Ther said:

Still worried about me and what you think I find annoying? Bless your heart. That's why I love the Huddle. You know me so well in the 3+ years I've been here. Joined the Huddle a week after Gettleman signed here. He brought out my enthusiasm for the Panthers that Hurney had killed. Same enthusiasm that has me on pins and needles about who we're going to sign and draft, regardless of how many people say or think we should be acquiring X, Y and Z instead, because they recognize their name, or went to the same college, or what the talking heads on TV tell them would be a good fit for the Panthers.

People that say they trust Gettleman, then get pissy when he doesn't do what they want when they want it done, are the ones that I refer to as the annoying ones. And yes, football cannot get here fast enough for me. My money is set aside to pay for a replica of the Panthers Super Bowl ring. Just a matter of time.

 

There ya go. It's a great time to reside in Panther Land.

[iamhubby1]

32 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

and yet after the packers lost nelson the sentiment on this site was "well they'll be fine because they have randall cobb and davante adams" lmao.  my how things change.

and yeah i agree with you i don't think you can give dave gettleman any credit at all for anything good the panthers have done.  it's either all a fluke or marty hurney is the responsible party.

 

Now, let's be fair. Gman did extend Cam and Luke. So he has that going for him. And that CJ thing just kinda feel into his lap. So really just things any normal GM woulda done. So I guess Gman aint done sheet. Where's all the love come from?

[O-Ther]

19 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

There ya go. It's a great time to reside in Panther Land.

Now get off my Panther Land lawn

[GoobyPls]

27 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Sure, you can throw qualifiers around to make your point. But the truth of the matter is. Gman has been here 3 years, and we have been in the Playoffs every year. With a SuperB owl appearance to boot. Just because we don't bring in Top Shelf FA, how does that diminish our accomplishments?

 

Millions of fans would sell their souls to be in our situation. And most wouldn't complain because we don't bring in many Top Shelf FA. All they would care about is the success.

 

It is a proven fact that teams that aren't normally big players in FA. Are teams that are perennially good.

 

 

There ya go. It's a great time to reside in Panther Land.

The truth of the matter is I just listed off the last 4 SB winners all who were active in signing and trading for notable names. For us to get over the hump its gonna take more than signing FA nobody else wants, just like those other teams.

 

This year we had the money to do so, still hasn't happen, I'm still crossing my fingers for a trade

[iamhubby1]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

The truth of the matter is I just listed off the last 4 SB winners all who were active in signing and trading for notable names. For us to get over the hump its gonna take more than signing FA nobody else wants, just like those other teams.

 

This year we had the money to do so, still hasn't happen, I'm still crossing my fingers for a trade

 

We get it. You want a top FA signing. To you that would indicate we are trying to win. And if we do win. It was that signing that lead the way. That certainly is one way to go. And sure, it can work. But the vast majority of teams that go that route. Fail. If every team that brought in FA won. Well...I don't see how that would work.

 

There are basically 2 reasons we haven't signed any FA. 1. Gman doesn't see anyone he wants. 2. He is happy with where we are. We have a plethora of kids that need a good look. Bringing in FA could stunt their growth. Especially for an organization that prides itself on developing their own. 

 

Slow and steady wins the race. Gman ain't no speedster.

[GoobyPls]

26 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

We get it. You want a top FA signing. To you that would indicate we are trying to win. And if we do win. It was that signing that lead the way. That certainly is one way to go. And sure, it can work. But the vast majority of teams that go that route. Fail. If every team that brought in FA won. Well...I don't see how that would work.

 

There are basically 2 reasons we haven't signed any FA. 1. Gman doesn't see anyone he wants. 2. He is happy with where we are. We have a plethora of kids that need a good look. Bringing in FA could stunt their growth. Especially for an organization that prides itself on developing their own. 

 

Slow and steady wins the race. Gman ain't no speedster.

 And the Vast majority team that don't do anything in FA, end up never winning the SB, pretty simple math. I wanted Travis Benjamin if you consider that an over spend so be it. All I saw was a guy a legit deep threat who produced with medicore QB play and hardly dropped passes. Who could of easily IMO put us over the top as an offense, no more settling " for oh well he will catch it next time"

 

I'm really not worried whats gonna happens 3 years down the road, for all we know Cam suffers a brutal injury and were royally fuged. I want to win next season, if we can bring a top notch player in a trade and he helps us win the SB that's all that matters, we will always be relevant as long as we have Cam.

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

 And the Vast majority team that don't do anything in FA, end up never winning the SB, pretty simple math. I wanted Travis Benjamin if you consider that an over spend so be it. All I saw was a guy a legit deep threat who produced with medicore QB play and hardly dropped passes. Who could of easily IMO put us over the top as an offense, no more settling " for oh well he will catch it next time"

 

I'm really not worried whats gonna happens 3 years down the road, for all we know Cam suffers a brutal injury and were royally fuged. I want to win next season, if we can bring a top notch player in a trade and he helps us win the SB that's all that matters, we will always be relevant as long as we have Cam.

 

I am sorry. But, that is not how things are done around here. You are just going to have to find a way to deal with that fact.

 

I will give you this. Just because Gman has never done anything like you are advocating for. It does not mean he won't. He has traded up in the last 2 drafts. So he has some of that gambler in him. But you have to admit he seems a little more conservative in nature. Throwing big money at a FA just does not seem like Gman's style.

 

Think about it this way. If the season started next Sun., we would be one of the favorites to win. If Gman drafts as well as he has been, we will get 2-3 very good players added to the mix. That should make us better. We are already a very good team. Getting better makes us that much more dangerous.

 

Which by the way. Is when Gman will bring in the FA. You have to admit, our roster is close. See what the draft has in store for you. Then fill the rest of the holes with FA. That's my thinking for the reason we are so dead.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

We could of won the SB last month and I still wouldn't have change my stance on being more active in free agency.

"Even if we won the Super Bowl I'd wish we would have done it differently."

This has to be one of the absolute silliest things ever posted here.

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Even if we won the Super Bowl I'd wish we would have done it differently."

This has to be one of the absolute silliest things ever posted here.

 

Now to be fair. You did take that...statement...out of context. He just feels that the ONLY way to build a winner in todays NFL, is by adding a big time FA, or 2, to the mix. And he used this statement to make the point. Does not diminish the quality of the statement. Just adding context.

 

How can having the philosophy of "Building Your Own" work? A time honored tradition, with proven success by the way. And people still feel they can improve on the model?

 

 

 

 

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

I am sorry. But, that is not how things are done around here. You are just going to have to find a way to deal with that fact.

 

I will give you this. Just because Gman has never done anything like you are advocating for. It does not mean he won't. He has traded up in the last 2 drafts. So he has some of that gambler in him. But you have to admit he seems a little more conservative in nature. Throwing big money at a FA just does not seem like Gman's style.

 

Think about it this way. If the season started next Sun., we would be one of the favorites to win. If Gman drafts as well as he has been, we will get 2-3 very good players added to the mix. That should make us better. We are already a very good team. Getting better makes us that much more dangerous.

 

Which by the way. Is when Gman will bring in the FA. You have to admit, our roster is close. See what the draft has in store for you. Then fill the rest of the holes with FA. That's my thinking for the reason we are so dead.

I'm not even asking for a drastic change, we need to find a way to balance things out and meet in the middle, this whole "we only built through the draft" philosophy has gotten us no championships, and while teams like the patriots and ravens are adapting we are stuck in the old mind frame. 

 

As for this years draft, I don't think are many rookies out there ready to contribute to a SB caliber team right away. Just look at last season both Shaq and Funchess  had small roles, I don't expect much from rookies so that's I wanted a solid free agent. whose ready to contribute right away.

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Even if we won the Super Bowl I'd wish we would have done it differently."

This has to be one of the absolute silliest things ever posted here.

Sillier than someone saying the Vikings and Panthers having the same offense? 

 

Don't think I forgot you slandering Mike Wallace, only for Ozzie Newsome to end up signing him. but let me guess you know more than a two time SB winning GM