Denver's Cap Space?

[AU-panther]

8 hours ago, KB_fan said:

I know a lot of us have been focused on New Orleans' cap woes, since they're a division rival, and it's fun to bemoan their troubles.

I was looking up something just now at Spotrac and decided to check out each team's relative cap space.  We're in good shape (11th most cap) with about 18.5 mil (top 51 and not incl draft pool).   Denver is very low on the list, with only 2.8 mil.  But what shocked me was to then look at the number of players under contract.  Denver has only 54???  (We have 70 signed players). 

How the heck is Denver gonna get to 90 players with only 2.8 million in cap space and 36 players to sign?!

WOW. 

I would guess both numbers are based off of just the top 51.  

[KB_fan]

2 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I would guess both numbers are based off of just the top 51.  

Yes, Denver's cap is based off the top 51, as is ours.  But still, they have 16 fewer players signed than we do, and they have some big holes on their roster.   Gonna take some cuts or some restructures...  and they don't have a franchise QB or their star defensive player under long-term contract, so next year's seeming abundance of cap for them could vanish very very quickly...

Maybe Elway will pull it off, but for now, it's looking tough for them to repeat as AFC champs, heck KC could even steal the division from them...

[KB_fan]

Just for greater clarity, here are the comparisons:

Carolina Panthers Cap Totals

Active Contracts: $138,022,808

Top 51 Contracts: $129,997,808

Dead Cap: $9,457,670

Total (All): $147,480,478

Total (Top 51+Pool): $143,783,884

Total (Top 51): $139,455,478

Est. Cap Space (All): $10,512,663

Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool): $14,209,257

Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $18,537,663

 

Denver Broncos Cap Totals

Active Contracts: $144,909,357

Top 51 Contracts: $144,009,357

Dead Cap: $7,228,300

Total (All): $152,137,657

Total (Top 51+Pool): $157,538,239

Total (Top 51): $151,237,657

Est. Cap Space (All): $1,957,384

Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool): $-3,443,198

Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $2,857,384

 

Figures from Spotrac

[ctrcat]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

It is hard to criticize them or mock their cap situation because they have just won their third Lombardi trophy, and while we may love our team and believe it has a bright future, how many fans would swap what we have for a Lombardi trophy in the cabinet at Bank of America Stadium? If someone said you can win a Super Bowl next season, but the result of that will be Cam Newton retiring early and the team being in cap hell next off season, would you take it or say no thanks? 

I'll be honest, I think a lot of fans would love their team to be in the situation that the Broncos are right now. We might want to mock them because they have Mark Sanchez and little to no money to spend, but despite that they are still the reigning Super Bowl champions with a roster that is still talented enough to win their division and make a run in the play offs. As great as our roster and cap situation may be, we don't have that Lombardi trophy, and that is ultimately what matters - winning the big game. We haven't done that. But the Broncos have, and so have the Saints...

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the Broncos round off their roster for the coming season and how far they go. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make the play offs again. If they can do it with The Golden Calf of Bristol, they can do it with Sanchez. 

FFFFFFF no.  Cam is on pace to be the GOAT and will win multiple rings.  Cam, as of today, is still only 26.  NO way would I trade what the Broncos have for what we have.

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25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Teams that mortgage their future aren't looking at one bad season. They're looking at five to ten.

And that approach doesn't guarantee anything. The Saints and others have gone the 'mortgage the future and throw everything into one year' route and failed. When that happens, you don't get to take it back. You're stuck with the consequences regardless of whether or not you reaped any rewards.

Our front office is building this team to be in contention every year, not just this year. No way in hell I'd trade that to build a one-year wonder that isn't guaranteed anything.

That's panic thinking.

The Broncos already had a well built roster before they paid out big money to add the likes of Peyton Manning (elite QBs don't tend to hit the market), Talib, Ware, Sanders and co. Sure it's the mortgage their future approach but they've had four years with division titles, two Super Bowl appearances, and one Super Bowl win. That's a great return. Now sure it doesn't always work out that way, but it did for them, and my point is simple - what they've achieved is something we've not achieved [yet]. So while we may want to poke fun at their QB or cap situation, they have what we don't - Lombardi trophies.

So what's our bragging point... cap space? A franchise QB? 

That's the two things we edge them on because the Broncos still have a very well built roster. If they can get a QB, or get game managing performances from Sanchez, they'll be ready to compete again next season. They are not in as bad a situation as people like to think they are.

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21 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

FFFFFFF no.  Cam is on pace to be the GOAT and will win multiple rings.  Cam, as of today, is still only 26.  NO way would I trade what the Broncos have for what we have.

I assume that's partly tongue in cheek, but if you're being totally serious, then I suggest you look at a QB by the name of Dan Marino...

In his second season he became the first QB to throw for over 5,000 yards - a record that lasted twenty seven seasons. He also threw for a then NFL record 48 TDs, which was twelve more than the previous record - this record stood for twenty seasons. In 1984 season he led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl and lost to the 49ers. Many thought this would be the first of many appearances for him and the next time he would win. Despite a hall of fame and record breaking career, he never did make a second Super Bowl. 

We may believe that Cam will make another Super Bowl, but of the previous 57 Super Bowl starting QBs, only 20 made multiple appearances. Hopefully he is the twenty first QB to start more than one super bowl, but there's some pretty damn good QBs that have only been to the big game once. 

I guess it comes down to what people value, maybe our young roster returns and wins one, but if I was offered a Broncos type run - say we didn't draft Cam five years ago and the year after we signed Peyton - I'd have taken that short four year run if it featured two super bowl appearances and bringing a Lombardi to BOA, even if it meant a year or few years of strife in the aftermath. Why? Because winning that Lombardi is the pinnacle.

[iamhubby1]

21 minutes ago, Mike said:

The Broncos already had a well built roster before they paid out big money to add the likes of Peyton Manning (elite QBs don't tend to hit the market), Talib, Ware, Sanders and co. Sure it's the mortgage their future approach but they've had four years with division titles, two Super Bowl appearances, and one Super Bowl win. That's a great return. Now sure it doesn't always work out that way, but it did for them, and my point is simple - what they've achieved is something we've not achieved [yet]. So while we may want to poke fun at their QB or cap situation, they have what we don't - Lombardi trophies.

So what's our bragging point... cap space? A franchise QB? 

That's the two things we edge them on because the Broncos still have a very well built roster. If they can get a QB, or get game managing performances from Sanchez, they'll be ready to compete again next season. They are not in as bad a situation as people like to think they are.

 

You are one of those people that always have to keep up with the Jones' aren't you? They have one, so we need one otherwise we are just, well, less than them. Oh well, we lost the Superb Owl. Our lives are totally poo.

 

Sure the Bronc's have a decent roster, and just may, with that crappy Division, make the playoffs again. But that is no given anyway. But they have no QB, holes to fill, and no money to do anything about anything. They are looking at a down hill spiral back to oblivion once again.

 

You know, if we weren't sitting where we are. I still wouldn't agree with you. We are perched to be a Contender for years. Not a couple, but for probably the next 10 years at least. The odds are good that those Lombardi's you covet so much, just may be in our future.

 

Every team is without a Lombardi. Until they win one. We are a very young franchise. And we are set to be Superb Owl contenders for quite a while. I, and many others, are just giddy over where we are heading. The Bronc's? Not so much.

[ctrcat]

6 minutes ago, Mike said:

I assume that's partly tongue in cheek, but if you're being totally serious, then I suggest you look at a QB by the name of Dan Marino...

In his second season he became the first QB to throw for over 5,000 yards - a record that lasted twenty seven seasons. He also threw for a then NFL record 48 TDs, which was twelve more than the previous record - this record stood for twenty seasons. In 1984 season he led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl and lost to the 49ers. Many thought this would be the first of many appearances for him and the next time he would win. Despite a hall of fame and record breaking career, he never did make a second Super Bowl. 

We may believe that Cam will make another Super Bowl, but of the previous 57 Super Bowl starting QBs, only 20 made multiple appearances. Hopefully he is the twenty first QB to start more than one super bowl, but there's some pretty damn good QBs that have only been to the big game once. 

I guess it comes down to what people value, maybe our young roster returns and wins one, but if I was offered a Broncos type run - say we didn't draft Cam five years ago and the year after we signed Peyton - I'd have taken that short four year run if it featured two super bowl appearances and bringing a Lombardi to BOA, even if it meant a year or few years of strife in the aftermath. Why? Because winning that Lombardi is the pinnacle.

Of course I'm serious.  Dan Marino was maybe the 3rd most accomplished QB in his own draft class in a golden era of QBs.  No one by any sane, logical metric is on par with Cam from an age, skill set, production standpoint currently or even on the horizon in the college or even high school game.  We WILL be back.  

[iamhubby1]

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

I assume that's partly tongue in cheek, but if you're being totally serious, then I suggest you look at a QB by the name of Dan Marino...

In his second season he became the first QB to throw for over 5,000 yards - a record that lasted twenty seven seasons. He also threw for a then NFL record 48 TDs, which was twelve more than the previous record - this record stood for twenty seasons. In 1984 season he led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl and lost to the 49ers. Many thought this would be the first of many appearances for him and the next time he would win. Despite a hall of fame and record breaking career, he never did make a second Super Bowl. 

We may believe that Cam will make another Super Bowl, but of the previous 57 Super Bowl starting QBs, only 20 made multiple appearances. Hopefully he is the twenty first QB to start more than one super bowl, but there's some pretty damn good QBs that have only been to the big game once. 

I guess it comes down to what people value, maybe our young roster returns and wins one, but if I was offered a Broncos type run - say we didn't draft Cam five years ago and the year after we signed Peyton - I'd have taken that short four year run if it featured two super bowl appearances and bringing a Lombardi to BOA, even if it meant a year or few years of strife in the aftermath. Why? Because winning that Lombardi is the pinnacle.

 

See that is the main crux of your argument. You want what others have, without putting in the work to get there. You have to take the good with the bad. That is life. You can't hit the reset button every time something goes wrong.

 

And who cares about records? Who cares about what others are doing? We are doing just fine. We have a young team with GREAT leadership. Things look great here in Pantherland. And it ain't going away any time soon. This sh(t gon get serious up in here. And a lot of folks see a bright future as well.

 

I wouldn't trade that for a boat load of your "But they already won one" poo.

[ctrcat]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

See that is the main crux of your argument. You want what others have, without putting in the work to get there. You have to take the good with the bad. That is life. You can't hit the reset button every time something goes wrong.

 

And who cares about records? Who cares about what others are doing? We are doing just fine. We have a young team with GREAT leadership. Things look great here in Pantherland. And it ain't going away any time soon. This sh(t gon get serious up in here. And a lot of folks see a bright future as well.

 

I wouldn't trade that for a boat load of your "But they already won one" poo.

The fact is we win a best of 7 series with those guys last year.  Obviously it doesn't work like that and there's no GUARANTEE we even win in Denver this fall.  But we are significantly better on paper at this point.

[L-TownCat]

9 hours ago, rayzor said:

Funny even going all in they still couldn't have done it without the refs help. It will be nice to go back in with a team who can still keep on winning and win the game with integrity. 

This

[iamhubby1]

Just now, ctrcat said:

The fact is we win a best of 7 series with those guys last year.  Obviously it doesn't work like that and there's no GUARANTEE we even win in Denver this fall.  But we are significantly better on paper at this point.

 

I would be totally surprised if we aren't the odds on favorites this year. And for the foreseeable future. We going to be the team to beat for a while. Cool.

 

We played like it was our 1st SupeB owl. That will not happen again.

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

You are one of those people that always have to keep up with the Jones' aren't you? They have one, so we need one otherwise we are just, well, less than them. Oh well, we lost the Superb Owl. Our lives are totally poo.

 

Sure the Bronc's have a decent roster, and just may, with that crappy Division, make the playoffs again. But that is no given anyway. But they have no QB, holes to fill, and no money to do anything about anything. They are looking at a down hill spiral back to oblivion once again.

 

You know, if we weren't sitting where we are. I still wouldn't agree with you. We are perched to be a Contender for years. Not a couple, but for probably the next 10 years at least. The odds are good that those Lombardi's you covet so much, just may be in our future.

 

Every team is without a Lombardi. Until they win one. We are a very young franchise. And we are set to be Superb Owl contenders for quite a while. I, and many others, are just giddy over where we are heading. The Bronc's? Not so much.

I am happy with our roster and direction. My point was simply directed at those that want to make fun of a team in worse cap situations than ours that has just won the Super Bowl by posting this type of thread. Oh look at them, they've got next to no cap space and need to signs loads of players, let's make fun of them. It's part of message boards and I get that, heck Id even be willing to partake, but the team has just won a Super Bowl and I think their fans would be happy to accept a few quiet years (if that happens) after the run they've been on these past four years. 

Essentially they've had a great four year run with Peyton. Will it hurt them long term? Perhaps. But I don't think anyone in their right mind would go back in a time machine and have them not sign Peyton and go with Brock Osweiler instead. 

10 minutes ago, ctrcat said:

Of course I'm serious.  Dan Marino was maybe the 3rd most accomplished QB in his own draft class in a golden era of QBs.  No one by any sane, logical metric is on par with Cam from an age, skill set, production standpoint currently or even on the horizon in the college or even high school game.  We WILL be back.  

I agree that no one can compare to Cam, but that doesn't mean he'll definitely return and win multiple rings. Right now he's tough to stop on his day, but the Broncos managed to stop him in the Super Bowl. So that shows Cam can be stopped, and if other teams can replicate that - especially in the play offs - then we might not be back. I think we will, but it's not easy. Look at A-Rod, never been back but he's been one of the best QBs every year. Sometimes you get one shot. 

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