Offseason : how bad was it in your opinion?

[jptaylor84]

I've read through a few posts and a there have been many statements about what we didn't do and should have done. It's easy to be an armchair gm so don't take this post as a bash Gettleman vendetta.

My point in asking and ok it is early days who knows how this year will pan out but do we think it was his poorest draft based on players/positions selected? Was his free agency strategy wrong leading into the draft? With the idea to not sign Norman and work on a longterm KK deal, there wasn't a huge amount of money to spend but more than enough to try but this decision and resigning/restructuring of other contracts impacted on what we did or didn't do.

Your never one player away is what he says all the time and to some degree I agree with that, but when you go 15-1 lose the SuperBowl your window is there, we didn't lose a whole lot of players compared to most teams so he had a chance to upgrade and add better depth to the main pieces, and fill the weakest spots on the roster and he hasn't, Bradberry is his one blessing, but the rest rookies or not have been as poor or worse than what was already on the roster.

We had a decent offense than scores and scores big, we had kelvin coming back so no need for a WR, the weakness has always been the Tackles and possibly a future RB, neither were addressed.

Defense has plenty of holes, we needed 1/2 corners with Norman going and Bene coming back, we chose to draft 3, safety needed upgrading even with colemans stellar year, Boston is poor generally and the depth is abysmal, the DE position was basically chosen to be ignored, pre combine in his interview he publicly put stock into Ealy, Cox, Miley, Delaire and believe CJ stil has something, so the issue wasn't addressed.

I believe the strategy was wrong, letting Norman go was OK by me! That money is best served elsewhere in regard to our system and how we value dbs.. Not addressing the Tackles and DEs was his biggest mistake..

I'd grade it his worst offseason since being panthers gm when it could of been his best and any flaws or holes we had could of been filled by drafting/signing FA using need and BPA! If the talent that's there can reach the level of last year or close we can still have a good season I'm not specifically calling time on the season or quitting but the moves made I think made us weaker and that's not the job of a gm.

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[Cary Kollins]

I'm going to let the season play out before reaching code Red status like most here.

This team was one field goal away from winning in Denver. The Vikings clearly out classed us yesterday, but that generally happens throughout a 16 game season.

 

[ncfan]

Not bad, we didnt jump the gun throw out huge contracts Hurney style to put us in a bind in a couple of years.

Norman would be here this year if his agent didnt drop the ball

KK, again not throwing out $$ Hurney style.  Gettleman isnt going to play games and not overpay.  KK thus far is having a alright year so far.  He doesnt end up having the monster year like he did last year,  we wont have to sell the farm to keep him.

Bradberry and Worley look solid and full of potential in this D.

Only gripe i have is lack of attention at DE.  Wish we took Carl Nassib (who I drooled over) in the 2nd then trade up in the 3rd for Bradberry.  But then again thats why he is a NFL gm and im not.

[rippadonn]

Defense wins championships. You can't put just a bunch of guys at DE and think that your gonna be OK. Everybody knows who the best pass rushers are in the NFL to the point where so called diamonds in the rough are very very rare. Just like QB's they are highly paid because they're not easy to find at an elite level and if you don't have one, you've got a really big problem. Draft one and unless it's a very early pick of a freak of nature like Julius, it's gonna take at least 3 years for a DE before you know if he's a bust or not. Like Julius and Greg Hardy, you just can't let them walk for nothing. I watched two years of Greg Hardy almost getting there to the QB and year three he started getting there. This is a tough situation that is going to cost a lot of money to fix.

Nothing is wrong with our DT's but when you can't contain the edges and nobody else on the line but the DT's and backups are getting sacks it puts extra pressure on the rest of the defense behind them. 

Not getting help was an act of hubris and a serious miscalculation that the fans and media pointed out well before the season. Gettleman says the pass rush will come from other places. He knows that's not a good strategy, I hope.

f'n sign somebody NOW!!! Humble yourselves!!!

 

[General_Purr]

Its hard to say.. We are just arm chair poo talking. 

But it seems our best move really was Andy Lee. What is also scary is that is seems KK might not sign here. Rookie CBs that weren't complete beasts but Bradberry has played pretty well.. stuck with the O Line, we have 2 young guards but Kalil and Oher are getting in the late stages coming up.. Kurt Coleman was probably the most hyped guy of taking over the safety. 
 

It does just feel like Carolina moves slower in aspects of the modern game than other teams. With training/prep health for different climates and little things that we have an abundance of information on in 2016.. Our offense puts Corey Brown in the back field I mean that seems to be our must "unique" offensive set. Lets be honest he is a very poor mans Randall Cobb who we had a chance to snag to mention. 

Maybe following the season the entire staff said lets keep doing what we were doing, don't evolve much. We won't have these posts if we hang 40 on our opponents but Im glad there is a open space for Carolina fans like us to say poo like this. Gotta give thanks to Igo for putting up with all our grown man bitching!!!

[Craig Pruitt]

Its really hard to gauge the draft this early into the season. However, based on the quality of play after 3 games, the Panthers don't appear to be a better team than the 2015 squad. 

I like the Bradberry pick in the 2nd round. He looks legit as a starting cornerback.  It's too early to tell on the Butler pick in the 1st round.  We all would have preferred a dominant pass rusher at DE, but were there any on the board when we picked in the first round? Since Butler was the 1st pick for the 2015 Super Bowl runner up I think he's going to have to be an above average player to justify his selection. Right now he's just a rotational player. Worley (3rd round CB) needs more playing time before we know about him.  We had no 4th or 6th round pick. Our 5th and 7th round selections are on the practice squad so we can't expect them to contribute in 2016. We essentially had a draft that has only yielded 1 impact player so far.

Our most glaring weaknesses from the last season (DE and OT) were not addressed. Also, the  G-Man didn't bring in any impact FA's. In the past he was able to get guys like Ted Ginn, Roman Harper, Mike Mitchell, etc.  This year we didn't bring in any FA's to improve the roster.

Things could turn around of course, but as of now I'd say the offseason was not a success.

[ctrcat]

5 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

This is a tough situation that is going to cost a lot of money to fix.

 

No it isn't and no it won't.  Call the man now and Release the Kraken for cheap.  The Panthers and Panther fans win.  The other 31 lose.

[CRA]

Going into the offseason I wanted us to address OT, RB, DE, and CB

specifically, I wanted a Remmers upgrade, Tolbert upgrade, Johnson upgrade, and vet DB. 

We did none of those.  Given we parted with Norman I think some of those were realistic. 

Said it before, but it is tougher to argue thay we got better.  So it means we got worse.   Losing Norman was big.   From a coverage and pass rush perspective.  He impacted both. Stewart is our run game and he can't be counted on for health reasons for a season.  We could of found another power runner.  

Only avenue we improved on IMO was P and WR.  We got worse at DB and because of that pass rush as well.  With a year of figuring out our OT issues....the film on their weakness makes us worse their. 

[jptaylor84]

Its really hard to gauge the draft this early into the season. However, based on the quality of play after 3 games, the Panthers don't appear to be a better team than the 2015 squad. 

I like the Bradberry pick in the 2nd round. He looks legit as a starting cornerback.  It's too early to tell on the Butler pick in the 1st round.  We all would have preferred a dominant pass rusher at DE, but were there any on the board when we picked in the first round? Since Butler was the 1st pick for the 2015 Super Bowl runner up I think he's going to have to be an above average player to justify his selection. Right now he's just a rotational player. Worley (3rd round CB) needs more playing time before we know about him.  We had no 4th or 6th round pick. Our 5th and 7th round selections are on the practice squad so we can't expect them to contribute in 2016. We essentially had a draft that has only yielded 1 impact player so far.

Our most glaring weaknesses from the last season (DE and OT) were not addressed. Also, the  G-Man didn't bring in any impact FA's. In the past he was able to get guys like Ted Ginn, Roman Harper, Mike Mitchell, etc.  This year we didn't bring in any FA's to improve the roster.

Things could turn around of course, but as of now I'd say the offseason was not a success.

Great reply! It's the point I was trying to make, I don't see that disagreeing with how something is done makes you a total hater, I just think we had scope to upgrade certain areas of the team via the draft and free agency and we did neither, I believe we have a very good gm I've praised him as much as anyone but the man can make mistakes. I think there clear to see as so many people say the same thing.


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[rippadonn]

NFL cliche- "If you ain't getting better your getting worse"

We got worse!

 

[GoobyPls]

We didn't do nothing for the offense, we are way to reliant on Cam. We are basically telling Cam to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t, for 3 straight seasons.