Report: Panthers 100% Sold On Fournette - Will Be Pick If Available

[uscgamecocks]

2 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Who was the last NFL player to carry his team to a super bowl victory?

 

Trick question, because the fact is there are more than 22 players with a significant impact on every single game. Never has any player, running back or otherwise, carried a team to a Super Bowl victory. Not even a QB. Closest may have been Rodgers but even then, the rest of the O was stacked and their D was no slouch. Stupid "trivia question" by you.

So positional value is not a thing?  All 22 starting positions have equivalent impact on the game?

[outlaw4]

This smells of someone deliberately leaking out false information to throw off people. It's possible that Fournette is on our board but he may really be the third or fourth option. Letting this out to force another team ahead of us to select him so that someone we covet more falls to us makes sense. Otherwise, why allow this information to go out in the first place? 

[t96]

2 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

So positional value is not a thing?  All 22 starting positions have equivalent impact on the game?

Yes it is and I could understand if you tried to make a point about that a little better, but when you phrased it the way you did it came across as silly to me. I'm not typically in the "draft a HB high" group but for a guy who could be a generational talent like AP, W Payton, B Sanders, etc. I'd be all for it. Fournette could easily turn out to be as good of a runner as AP, but with a huge difference... The ability to help the team in the receiving game, as a blocker or target.

#8 overall for an AP who doesn't come out of the game on every third down? All for it.

Of course it's possible he comes nowhere close to AP, but I see the upside there, and that could make it worth it for me. All depends on how the draft falls. Would take a handful of players over Fournette if one of them is there.

[t96]

8 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

Honestly pretty hard to parse the two - running offense that excel in the postseason typically have excellent defenses.  I think Lynch is certainly arguable though Davis has the clearer case in my opinion.

Either way - it's certainly not the norm (2 of the last 18 SBs, giving credit to Lynch).

But it's definitely not impossible.  Zeke would likely have done it had the Cowboys not flamed out in the SB (lol).

And had we had Fournette - or even Derrick Henry - on our '15 SB squad, I think we would have won that game as well.  Jonathan Stewart's injury really hurt our chances in that game, I think.

Stew and Philly's injuries that game killed our offense. We could've overcome the mistakes with those guys healthy. Just too bad, but if we had better receiver depth and HB depth, it wouldn't have been a problem. Denver was ultimately the better team that day, though I would bet if we played that game 10 times we win 8.

[Moorgan]

2 hours ago, Lasus83. said:

Fournette isn't Peterson... he is Bo.

Do what it takes

Are you saying that LF is Bo Jackson? Because that's a hell of a comparison. I certainly don't see it.

[uscgamecocks]

5 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Yes it is and I could understand if you tried to make a point about that a little better, but when you phrased it the way you did it came across as silly to me. I'm not typically in the "draft a HB high" group but for a guy who could be a generational talent like AP, W Payton, B Sanders, etc. I'd be all for it. Fournette could easily turn out to be as good of a runner as AP, but with a huge difference... The ability to help the team in the receiving game, as a blocker or target.

#8 overall for an AP who doesn't come out of the game on every third down? All for it.

Of course it's possible he comes nowhere close to AP, but I see the upside there, and that could make it worth it for me. All depends on how the draft falls. Would take a handful of players over Fournette if one of them is there.

Agree with that viewpoint.  I don't think LF is in the same league as AP (lateral agility being the downfall) - but if he is, he's absolutely worth the pick.

That's what DG has to figure out.

[Tarheels23]

Which thread came first, this one or the Igo McCaffrey Thread? 

Is it possible that we're thinking about picking Fournette at 8 and trading back into the first for McCaffrey?

[Manos]

3rd or 4th best RB in a deep HB draft with the position being so devalued... Highly doubt it. If Cowboys don't go HB at 4, Elliott probably lasts into the 10s last year too. Fournette, Cook and Mixon are all better than Elliott though Mixon's off field would likely push him down. 3 HBs aren't going top 10. Entirely possible none go top 10 this year even despite these report some right now.

Cook is in no way a better prospect than Elliot was, are you high or just the world's biggest FSU homer? Cook may not even go in the first round after he tanked the combine.

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[t96]

3 minutes ago, Manos said:

Cook is in no way a better prospect than Elliot was, are you high or just the world's biggest FSU homer? Cook may not even go in the first round after he tanked the combine.

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I don't follow college football except for draft related stuff so no I'm not a FSU homer. From what I've seen from Cook he could be a guy who could be a Marshall Faulk type in the right situation. Has a higher upside than Elliott did in my opinion. Elliott was well rounded and a significantly better pass protector in college, but Cook more of a threat with the ball in his hands. It's close and in our offense I'd pick Elliott over Cook every time. But if we had an offense like the Pats or Saints, Cook would be higher for sure. And there are more offenses like that than ours so that's why I would have Cook ahead of him in a prospect ranking.

[Marguide]

11 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

This smells of someone deliberately leaking out false information to throw off people. It's possible that Fournette is on our board but he may really be the third or fourth option. Letting this out to force another team ahead of us to select him so that someone we covet more falls to us makes sense. Otherwise, why allow this information to go out in the first place? 

I agree this is suspicious.

Why leak this info now? All it does it provide more leverage/advantage to every other team in the draft. How valuable would it be if we knew who the first 7 picks were going to be with a month still to go?

And if the info wasn't supposed to get out, that means someone in the organization did a really stupid thing. Either that, or someone with access to the facility basically stole the info, and gave it to Jeremy or a select few others. I can't believe anyone with a press pass would leak info detrimental to the team's draft plans, at least not if they wanted to keep their credentials, unless the organization sanctioned it.

So yes, something smells funny here.

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, DelhommesTheMan said:

Not disputing that we love Fournette, but Gettleman just said he hasn't even started on the defensive players yet.  I hope he didn't decide our pick at 8 without going over half the players.

Great point

[Lasus83.]

Don't mind if he's the pick but the next questions becomes, what do we do to stop teams from stacking the box? Hopefully that's address in the second round of the draft and grabbing a fb in the later rounds


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[TheSpecialJuan]

Consensus top 6 players:

DE Garrett

DE Allen

SS Adams

DE Thomas

RB Fournette

CB Lattimore

Notice that 5 out 6 players are on defense. Gman at this point probably believes Garrett, Allen, Thomas and Adams will be chosen before 8. That leaves Fournette are the most realistic choice for us, right now.

[juliosantos]

wont be there jags sold too