Cam Newton Surgery A Success - Rehab Begins Next Week

[steven8989]

It's infuriating when you realize it's the second time in 4 years our franchise QB has had to have surgery due to our FO lining up subpar (at best) cast offs along the OL tasked with protecting him.
OT depth is still a concern, and if we're hinging our season on Oher doing anything, we've learned nothing from these mistakes.
Also, we better not trot Ed f*cking Dickson back out there this season. We need a real TE behind Greg.

Well I don't really blame the ankle surgery on the oline. He had trouble with it since college. Totally agree about sorry ass Dickson!!!

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[TheRed]

11 minutes ago, Arroz con Panther said:

YEA, THAT DAMN FRONT OFFICE!  If only they had put some guys on the line, then our QB wouldn't have hurt his throwing shoulder!  

That's like saying an MLB front office is the cause of a pitcher getting Tommy John.

Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Sione Fua, Mike Remmers, Amini Silatolu.

These are guys we've had in key starting roles or tried to plug into key starting roles along the OL.

What do they all have in common?

Eventually hits behind a crappy OL take their toll on any QB. That's what I'm discussing. If you wish, you can engage, or you can keep rambling about baseball like you have any clue what you're talking about.

[Marguide]

41 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I can't ever recall a doctor coming out after a surgery and saying, "Damn, man... I botched the fug outta that one." They're all a success according to the surgeon.

Another truism when it comes to injuries/surgeries, players in rehab are always pronounced as "ahead of schedule".

[Arroz con Panther]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Sione Fua, Mike Remmers, Amini Silatolu.

These are guys we've had in key starting roles or tried to plug into key starting roles along the OL.

What do they all have in common!

Eventually hits behind a crappy OL take their toll on any QB. That's what I'm discussing. If you wish, you can engage, or you can keep rambling about baseball like you have any clue what you're talking about.

 

 

I get what you're saying and I agree that our line hasn't been up to par.  I'm just getting a little annoyed at people attacking the FO for every little thing (that may not have been your intention...like I said, I'm just getting fed up).  I don't think you can put the blame on the FO for Cam's surgeries.  He's a mobile QB (which could explain his ankle surgery) and, obviously, he throws all the time.  I haven't fact checked or anything, but I don't think there's one quarterback out there that hasn't had surgery on some part of their bodies at one time or another.  It's the game of football, so it's almost inevitable.  

I think the guys up top know that they've dropped the ball and that's why they made the move for Kalil.  Whether you like that choice or not, it shows that the FO is trying to do something to help Cam out.  I definitely think we could still improve because I'd rather not put my trust in Oher right now.

[maddog1945]

47 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

I've had a baby, I've had a couple of surgeries and I'm positive I wouldn't be able to start rehab 4 days post op LOL. 

Hey, never had a baby, wife sometimes say I'm so fat I could have a baby!!

But had both shoulders done, not at same time. Two days later in rehab. He just wanted to take bandage off and I told him he wasn't big enough!!

Guess what?  He was!!

Its a tough rehab. Here's to speedy recovery!!!

 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Arroz con Panther said:

I get what you're saying and I agree that our line hasn't been up to par.  I'm just getting a little annoyed at people attacking the FO for every little thing (that may not have been your intention...like I said, I'm just getting fed up).  I don't think you can put the blame on the FO for Cam's surgeries.  He's a mobile QB (which could explain his ankle surgery) and, obviously, he throws all the time.  I haven't fact checked or anything, but I don't think there's one quarterback out there that hasn't had surgery on some part of their bodies at one time or another.  It's the game of football, so it's almost inevitable.  

I think the guys up top know that they've dropped the ball and that why they made the move for Kalil.  Whether you like that choice or not, it shows that the FO is trying to do something to help Cam out.  I definitely think we could still improve because I'd rather not put my trust in Oher right now.

Hits behind our OL undoubtedly played a substantial part in these injuries which resulted in surgeries. Our FO is responsible for assembling the offensive line. No they didn't obviously directly get Cam injured or something absurd like that. But our front office absolutely shares a good portion of responsibility for what has transpired. We've been searching for an LT since Gross retired after Newton's rookie year. Let that sink in. I'm glad to see we made a move to secure one finally for the future hopefully, but we've been pissing in the wind at times too often with our offensive line. We have to learn from our mistakes. I've been saying this, and I'll keep saying it.

[darrybear]

It's infuriating when you realize it's the second time in 4 years our franchise QB has had to have surgery due to our FO lining up subpar (at best) cast offs along the OL tasked with protecting him.

OT depth is still a concern, and if we're hinging our season on Oher doing anything, we've learned nothing from these mistakes.

Also, we better not trot Ed f*cking Dickson back out there this season. We need a real TE behind Greg.

Man you are not alone I mean goddamn I'm so tired of us talking about oher. Oher should not be a thought until he clears concussion protocol and since he hasn't cleared it apparently or I haven't heard of it I don't want to hear about him. he's not good to go I don't know why we keep revisiting a person who had intense injury to the brain. I'm like I don't even understand anymore and I'm going to stop trying to understand because it doesn't make sense unless you're crazy.

 

 

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[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

And how many teams actually have a franchise LT?

It's the equivalent of finding a franchise QB. I mean come on guys. You know how the fug this works. In most cases, you either have one or the other. Rarely do you have both. We got lucky with Gross. 

In addition, you can't put what happened to Cam solely on the front office. For the love of god, Larsen, Gino and Williams got injured... and they were depth. We just had horrific luck last season.

What kind of rationalization is that? Like you're watching Cam Newton get his skull bounced around like a stunt dummy for 4 quarters, and you're thinking to yourself, "gee, some other teams don't have a good left tackle either, I guess that makes this alright."?

Anyone with eyes that witnessed Cam get battered in SB50 could see the writing on the wall. We then proceeded to allow Cam to get battered again in 2017, starting with the season opener that I don't even know how the hell he made it out of without getting a concussion.

[hepcat]

Cam might end up on a "pitch count" because of his surgery, so there is no doubt in my mind now that if Fournette is there in the 1st he will be a Panther. If he's not they will definitely draft a RB somewhere else or maybe even trade up to get one.

Panthers might run the ball more than any other team in the NFL in 2017. If the defense lives up to their potential we could see a 2013 type squad again. Cam's numbers will be down, but the team could win a lot of games.

[Darvinsun]

10 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

And how many teams actually have a franchise LT?

It's the equivalent of finding a franchise QB. I mean come on guys. You know how the fug this works. In most cases, you either have one or the other. Rarely do you have both. We got lucky with Gross. 

In addition, you can't put what happened to Cam solely on the front office. For the love of god, Larsen, Gino and Williams got injured... and they were depth. We just had horrific luck last season.

Even if those guys had not gotten hurt Vam still would have been hurt those were the centers what about the left and right tackles thats where it hurts... Cam been here 6yrs not really one investment in a tackle outside of daryl..everyone else would sign a proven tackle or draft a high end tackle ..nk we just want DTs, DEs ..Castaways for Cam ...him being a mobile qb should have been a bonus but really its turned into a nightmare bc they expect him to escape but no line and no receivers worth a crap and Olsen has to stay in and help block...they need to draft a high end blocking TE since we cannot get a high end tackle period.

[Darvinsun]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Cam might end up on a "pitch count" because of his surgery, so there is no doubt in my mind now that if Fournette is there in the 1st he will be a Panther. If he's not they will definitely draft a RB somewhere else or maybe even trade up to get one.

Panthers might run the ball more than any other team in the NFL in 2017. If the defense lives up to their potential we could see a 2013 type squad again. Cam's numbers will be down, but the team could win a lot of games.

Running the ball more is not the answer if you do not get a line...Cam is not running like he use to ..Defenses will not stack the box until we get a line..we need lineman and a good blocking TE.. Fornette is good but he will be playing against full grown men he will not be able to truck like he did in college...Alabama shut him down...he is going to need a good line and Qb to be successful.

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

It's infuriating when you realize it's the second time in 4 years our franchise QB has had to have surgery due to our FO lining up subpar (at best) cast offs along the OL tasked with protecting him.

OT depth is still a concern, and if we're hinging our season on Oher doing anything, we've learned nothing from these mistakes.

Also, we better not trot Ed f*cking Dickson back out there this season. We need a real TE behind Greg.

Oher, when healthy, was a damn good pass blocking tackle. Remmers was a serviceable starter. Not a world beater, and SIGNIFICANTLY better than Byron Bell ever was. 

What killed us last year was injuries. We had 4th and 5th stringers across the line last year at some points, not just backups. We had the backups to the backups to the backups out there. 

So I can only blame the FO so much for Cam's injury, especially when it happened on a pick that Newton threw when KB gave up on a route and then didn't even attempt to tackle the guy that jumped his route. If you should blame anyone for his injury, blame KB for half assing it out there. Don't blame Rivera or Gettleman for not having an all-pro 3rd stringer to play on the line. 

I can understand the frustration and lack of depth in the secondary, but the O-line was just really bad luck. 

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Oh STFU already. It's called rational logic for most of us in here. We have to make chicken salad out of chicken poo unfortunately. The Seahawks have a poo LT, so did The Broncos... hell the The Colts, Jaguars, Bears, Chargers, Jets, Rams, Cardinals, Vikings, etc have average to crappy LTs too. We're not the only ones to be suffering from finding a stable LT.

Y'all honestly think our front office is sitting around saying to each other "yeah, fug Cam.."

Get a fugging grip, you whiny bitches.

I never remotely insinuated our front office sits around saying "fug Cam". That is a ridiculous assertion to say the least. Frankly, I shouldn't even respond to it.

Also, what did the Colts, Jaguars, Bears, Chargers, Jets, Cardinals, Rams, and Vikings all have in common last season? You aren't exactly winning an argument here chief.