Ron speaks

[Proudiddy]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

How many years of poor results did it take to get Hurney fired? And heck, now he's back.

This while a GM who puts us in the playoffs for three straight years gets fired because "feelings".

I have zero confidence in Richardson when it comes to these decisions. Zero.

All good points.  But I think the varying levels of concern throughout the huddle are all rooted in whether or not you truly believed Gettleman was the answer to our organizational ails.  I do not.  I think he was another cog in the wheel of a machine that runs relatively the same no matter what piece you plug in.  Still, I'm optimistic that the talent on this roster overcomes all the other noise surrounding it.  And if we can, as the saying goes...  winning cures all.

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

All good points.  But I think the varying levels of concern throughout the huddle are all rooted in whether or not you truly believed Gettleman was the answer to our organizational ails.  I do not.  I think he was another cog in the wheel of a machine that runs relatively the same no matter what piece you plug in.  Still, I'm optimistic that the talent on this roster overcomes all the other noise surrounding it.  And if we can, as the saying goes...  winning cures all.

The "machine" went to the playoffs with a significantly higher consistency over the past four years than it has at any other period in team history.

That doesn't really support your argument.

[Proudiddy]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The "machine" went to the playoffs with a significantly higher consistency over the past four years than it has at any other period in team history.

That doesn't really support your argument.

Not being able to put together consecutive winning seasons and following up a 15-1 Superbowl appearance with 6-10 the next season, does.  Yes, we made the playoffs at 7-8-1 in a historically wrak division which we backed into...  n,ot exactly a resume builder. And I recall many a poster here defending the slow start that season and last season with every excuse in the book (like "growing pains," or we were using a season to develop youth so we can be better the next season) because of their belief in Gettleman...  but, perennial contenders don't take seasons off.  Gettleman was a great talent evaluator, but he wasn't the guy that would turn our franchise around, and last season proved it, and that was all on him.  I know we won't agree on his level of greatness (or if he was great at all, imo), but there are a lot of emotional theatrics going on that really aren't necessary from the same people that laughed at the concern of others for very similar reasons during Gettleman's tenure.

[Cary Kollins]

10 hours ago, Johnny Rockets said:

 

 

Have you seen Bill Belichick's press conferences / statements? He wouldn't say anything. Ron's downfall to the fans is that he is too honest with his comments. People hated it when Fox pulled a Belichick, but he was good at it.


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You're missing the point. It's not about the actual press conference, it's about having the mindset of "being a superbowl contender is too much pressure". That's what Rivera not so subtly alluded to.

[Mage]

As long as we have Cam Newton at QB, we have a chance. I'm not a huge fan of Rivera as a head coach, but we went 15-1 in 2015 and lost in the Super Bowl primarily because we were playing an all-time great defense. Who knows how that game goes if we don't fumble 3 times, which is flukey.

We have a chance. 

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Not being able to put together consecutive winning seasons and following up a 15-1 Superbowl appearance with 6-10 the next season, does.  Yes, we made the playoffs at 7-8-1 in a historically wrak division which we backed into...  n,ot exactly a resume builder. And I recall many a poster here defending the slow start that season and last season with every excuse in the book (like "growing pains," or we were using a season to develop youth so we can be better the next season) because of their belief in Gettleman...  but, perennial contenders don't take seasons off.  Gettleman was a great talent evaluator, but he wasn't the guy that would turn our franchise around, and last season proved it, and that was all on him.  I know we won't agree on his level of greatness (or if he was great at all, imo), but there are a lot of emotional theatrics going on that really aren't necessary from the same people that laughed at the concern of others for very similar reasons during Gettleman's tenure.

Four seasons with three of them in the playoffs for a franchise that hadn't sniffed the postseason in eight years doesn't count as a turnaround?

Heck, this season is looking like it has potential too.

[Proudiddy]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Four seasons with three of them in the playoffs for a franchise that hadn't sniffed the postseason in eight years doesn't count as a turnaround?

Heck, this season is looking like it has potential too.

Not when you regress every other year still, imo.  Going 6-10 last season was inexcusable, nut was a direct result of decisions made and not made in the offseason.

That being said, I agree about this season.  As I've said repeatedly, it was Gettleman's best off-season since he's been here, on paper.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Not when you regress every other year still, imo.  Going 6-10 last season was inexcusable, nut was a direct result of decisions made and not made in the offseason.

That being said, I agree about this season.  As I've said repeatedly, it was Gettleman's best off-season since he's been here, on paper.

We used to regress for several years are a time.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

You're missing the point. It's not about the actual press conference, it's about having the mindset of "being a superbowl contender is too much pressure". That's what Rivera not so subtly alluded to.

He did allude to the fact that the pressure was quite a lot in 2016 and it affected the team. For most everyone this was their first Superbowl and they had little experience to pull upon. He didn't say it was too much or that he didn't want to return to the Superbowl or that he didn't want the pressure. He just acknowledged that there was less pressure this year because they went 6-10. 

Do you really think he doesn't want pressure and can't handle it? After all he has chosen this profession and all the pressure it entails.