The Mike Shula Statistical Anomaly

[falconidae]

7 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

 

 

Nobody ever said the above, you were just listening to the voices in your head again, sorry.

Really? read a lot of posts on here that could easily be interpreted that way. 

And, it's still not strawman, it's a germane point to the conversation.  Stats mean nothing without context, Context here is, IF you're claiming Shula is a poor OC, which you are; then saying that 2016 and 2017 aren't all his fault is a perfectly logical response. He's not responsible for all the injuries last season or this season. He can't make Cam take the checkdown/shorter pass. 

He's  not the best OC ever. not saying that. Do think that, if he had a solid Oline, his plays would look much better. A solid OLine that would allow some deep shots and open up holes for the RBs would do wonders for Shula's reputation. 

 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Really? read a lot of posts on here that could easily be interpreted that way. 

And, it's still not strawman, it's a germane point to the conversation.  Stats mean nothing without context, Context here is, IF you're claiming Shula is a poor OC, which you are; then saying that 2016 and 2017 aren't all his fault is a perfectly logical response. He's not responsible for all the injuries last season or this season. He can't make Cam take the checkdown/shorter pass. 

He's  not the best OC ever. not saying that. Do think that, if he had a solid Oline, his plays would look much better. A solid OLine that would allow some deep shots and open up holes for the RBs would do wonders for Shula's reputation. 

 

You could use that argument for every OC.  All they need is better players and they will look like geniuses!   What a novel idea!

[beastson]

Straight average across the boards. He was average at Alabama too. Shula was Cam QB coach and should have stayed there. Ron was too lazy to find and interview another OC, and he saw it as an opportunity to control the offense as he didn't have an OC who would get too good and become a HC fast as poo, when it took him YEARS to become one. Mike Shula where else are you going to go? Nowhere. Let's just keep it truthful. Shula won't go without Ron, so bye to Ron. And on to the defense, Ron is a defensive HC... his defense should "always" been on point. Personnel though right? Gtfoh.

 

[falconidae]

8 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You could use that argument for every OC.  All they need is better players and they will look like geniuses!   What a novel idea!

Again. not saying that Shula is an incredible OC, just that a competent OLine would really help.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, falconidae said:

Again. not saying that Shula is an incredible OC, just that a competent OLine would really help.

Of course it would!  But a large number of teams have the same issue.  There just isn't enough quality OLine players out there to go around and it has been that way for years now.  A good coach can scheme around it enough to compensate for struggling players. 

Bottom line is you at least try to work around the problem but Shula/Ron simply cannot do that.  It's an execution problem is all they can come up with.

[tiger7_88]

24 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Really? read a lot of posts on here that could easily be interpreted that way. 

But you were responding to me. 

And I never said that.

Dude, just tell the voices in their to shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... either that or stop refusing to take your meds.

[tiger7_88]

38 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Where's P55 at to tell us all how dumb we are and what a coaching genius Shula is?

He has definitely been noticeably absent.

But don't worry, Grandma Shula will be back, you can bet on it.

[PantherBrew]

Bring in Norv Turner.  Just kidding..... but, maybe not.

[falconidae]

27 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

But you were responding to me. 

And I never said that.

Dude, just tell the voices in their to shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... either that or stop refusing to take your meds.

Doesn't matter that you didn't say it here. What matters is, others have indeed said it, so it's fair game in a discussion about Shula. 

[Panther53521]

2 games --- one TD !!!! ONE fuging TD ...... every other NFL team would fire their OC on Monday morning. Here we sit Monday afternoon and no word from Charlotte.

With the talent we have on offense, we can only score 1 TD in 8 quarters of NFL football. 1 TD against the worst defense in NFL history. How does this OC have a job anymore???????  

Anyone would be better than Shula

[tiger7_88]

1 minute ago, Panther53521 said:

3 games --- one TD !!!! ONE fuging TD ...... every other NFL team would fire their OC on Monday morning. Here we sit Monday afternoon and no word from Charlotte.

With the talent we have on offense, we can only score 1 TD in 12 quarters of NFL football. 1 TD against the worst defense in NFL history. How does this OC have a job anymore???????  

Anyone would be better than Shula

We had 2 TDs in Game 1 and 1 TD yesterday.

That makes 3.

Still horrible, but 1 =/= 3.

[Castavar]

The worst part of all this is even if Rivera fired Shula, he would just go out and get another doofus OC because he doesn't want to get somebody legit that could potentially take his job, which is why I think he didn't go out and get Hue Jackson when he was available.

Not to mention, Rivera loves this type of football. Slow, methodical offense so his defense can rest (even though it doesn't even help). Shula is horrible, but Rivera is even more dumb for keeping him all these years. Shula is going to be Rivera's demise tbh

[Carolina Cajun]

I've been saying, Shula can't produce an efficient offense if the defense isn't generating turnovers.  First thing I dug up, this is the fewest turnovers we've generated through 3 games since 2012.  That's big.  Good offenses create points with or without turnovers, that's not how Shula operates with his plodding time consumption play call style.

I've made a chart plotting our turnovers since 2013 when Shula took over as the OC

Note, this is just gross turnovers in our favor because turnovers we have obtained, this is important because these numbers are reflective of the success and/or lack thereof over the past 4 seasons.  Let's dig deeper, into the Turnover differential rank by season.

We can see the correlation between the gross turnovers and our +/- differential every single season.  It's not just about "protecting the ball", it's about turning the opposition over AND not turning it over. Lastly, to the crux of the matter.  Can Shula's offense produce if our defense isn't propping him up with short fields or even getting pick 6's?

And there it is.  Shula's statistical anomaly is in lock step with how well our defense creates turnovers.  When we generate turnovers, Shula "generates" points.  It's time, Shula needs to go, he can't generate offense.  He is the Chad Pennington of OC's.  He is a game managing OC, there is nothing he can do.  Until a change is made, our defense will be forced to play out of their minds to make up for HIS shortcomings as an OC.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, Farachlombardi said:

Shulas not the problem it's the missed opportunity we need to score in the offense and it wasn't shulas fault that kailil didn't block his guy . It was my fault for that but Matt is a great player and he will learn from his mistakes . Shula will turn this offense around keep doubting me 

Bless your heart.