Superstar Dak not so much without Elliott..

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

    I would argue that Sean Lee is their biggest loss. That Defense went from pretty good. To down right sad since he has gone out. Running yards, and point allowed has doubled. Making it tougher on that Offense. 

 

    Not going to argue that Dak has looked lost the last few weeks. But it is asking a lot for an Offense to all of a sudden have to pick it, because their Defense feel off a cliff. They were a front running Offense, and they were built for that. Now they are playing from behind, and they are just not getting it done.

 

    That Offense was like ours. Methodical. But they had a Defense. Now, with no Defense, that Offense just cannot keep up.

That game was 0-3 at halftime.. You can't blame the defense for only giving up a FG for a Half and the offense doing nothing.. This is getting ridiculous all these "Panthers fans" making excuses for the Cowboys..

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

That game was 0-3 at halftime.. You can't blame the defense for only giving up a FG for a Half and the offense doing nothing.. This is getting ridiculous all these "Panthers fans" making excuses for the Cowboys..

 

    I am sorry that you feel that opinions that don't fall in line with yours are ridiculous.

 

    Also, their Offense has been down for the last 3.5 games. Not just the 1st half of the last game. They have scored 1 TD in their last 3 games. (I think that's right.)

 

    So yeah, that corresponds with when Lee went out. Coinky dinky? Maybe. But it is hard to argue the fact their Defense fell off a cliff. Which has had an adverse reaction on the Offense.

 

    That O now has to outscore folks. Being a ground and pound team. That is just not something they are built to do.

[beastson]

3 hours ago, backINblack28 said:

Dak is also getting credit for not having his best teammates around him.  People are writing off bad performances because he has to deal with 3rd string replacement level at LT.  Byron Bell.  Cam didn't get that same credit for dealing with 3rd string replacement level Byron Bell being his STARTING tackle for 4 years/HALF of his career.  2 of those years were playoffs..

Amazing isn't it. I remember after Cam 2nd year he was completely wrote off for Luck, RGIII and Wilson and many others. Cam 2nd year wasn't even that bad. I didn't hear anybody blame the coaching. Dak not progressing, blame the coach

[Harbingers]

13 hours ago, beastson said:

Zeke the best offensive player on their team, by far...

Don’t tell Dez that. He might shank you.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I am sorry that you feel that opinions that don't fall in line with yours are ridiculous.

 

    Also, their Offense has been down for the last 3.5 games. Not just the 1st half of the last game. They have scored 1 TD in their last 3 games. (I think that's right.)

 

    So yeah, that corresponds with when Lee went out. Coinky dinky? Maybe. But it is hard to argue the fact their Defense fell off a cliff. Which has had an adverse reaction on the Offense.

 

    That O now has to outscore folks. Being a ground and pound team. That is just not something they are built to do.

The Cowboys defense the last 3 games have only giving up 20 points in the 1st half.. The Cowboys were only down 6 points total those 3 games going into halftime..

The games they had Zeke they were avg. Over 30 points a game.. The last three without Zeke they can't get double digit scoring games.. 

So the pattern seem to me to be the defense is avg.  most of the time anyway.. But the offense is what drop off..

And this thread is showing that while Dak was getting a lot of credit for being a team carrying QB or talent and better than Cam.. He isn't..

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, iamhubby1 said:

    I would argue that Sean Lee is their biggest loss. That Defense went from pretty good. To down right sad since he has gone out. Running yards, and point allowed has doubled. Making it tougher on that Offense. 

 

    Not going to argue that Dak has looked lost the last few weeks. But it is asking a lot for an Offense to all of a sudden have to pick it, because their Defense feel off a cliff. They were a front running Offense, and they were built for that. Now they are playing from behind, and they are just not getting it done.

 

    That Offense was like ours. Methodical. But they had a Defense. Now, with no Defense, that Offense just cannot keep up.

They're definitely missing Lee but Dak was being talked about as an outside shot at MVP this time last year. In the two games without Elliott he's looked like a guy who couldn't start for the Browns. 

[LinvilleGorge]

48 minutes ago, beastson said:

Amazing isn't it. I remember after Cam 2nd year he was completely wrote off for Luck, RGIII and Wilson and many others. Cam 2nd year wasn't even that bad. I didn't hear anybody blame the coaching. Dak not progressing, blame the coach

It's always about the next best thing. Cam threw for almost 3900 yards his second season. He was still damn good it's just that now Andrew "The Chosen One" Luck was finally here and already being crowned the GOAT. 

[iamhubby1]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They're definitely missing Lee but Dak was being talked about as an outside shot at MVP this time last year. In the two games without Elliott he's looked like a guy who couldn't start for the Browns. 

 

    Short answer. Dak played well his first year and a half. When did his play fall off? When Lee went down.

 

    You say it was Dak, and you could be right. I say it is Lee, and I am right. lol

    

 

    

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Short answer. Dak played well his first year and a half. When did his play fall off? When Lee went down.

 

    You say it was Dak, and you could be right. I say it is Lee, and I am right. lol

    

 

    

Please tell me you're joking. My sarcasm meter may need a little adjustment today. 

[Lumps]

15 hours ago, Castavar said:

Dak since Zeke started suspension:

• 0 TDs

• 5 INTs

• 176, 145, 179 yards

• 5.6 yards per attempt

Yeah, he is nothing without Zeke and his elite pass protection. And people had the nerve to say Dak was a WAY better QB than Cam and how much of a true leader he was  Serves Dannon right, they lost an icon and gained a scrub.

Meh. How would Newton look without always having a top 5, if not the very best, defense in the league. How would he look with the Patriots or Saints defense? How would he react knowing he’d have to put up 30+ points a game to win like Brady and Brees?

Cam defenders to the rescue, post #1, getting defensive and comparing a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with him except oh that’s right ‘people’, like who exactly? Give me a break and get over your insecurities, making the Panther fans look immature and dumb.

[Borat]

I think Dak was in about a near-perfect situation last year. Stud RB, best OL in the business, good-to-great weapons outside, and little known about him from DCs' perspective. Now, with the RB out and the OL banged up / underperforming, he's struggling -- other teams are keying into his tendencies and passing weaknesses (there's a reason he dropped into the fourth). Can he still be "the guy" in Dallas? Sure, but he's got to get better at throwing guys open downfield (as opposed to his usual, too-short dump-offs), reading coverages, and ignoring the 'footsteps' when he's in the pocket. The dink-and-dunk stuff doesn't work when you don't have an all-world OL and RB getting you to 2nd-and-short all the time. 

That said, he actually hasn't been horrible this season -- his recent rough patch has come against some tougher teams, so it's not totally attributable to the loss of Zeke. He actually played pretty well in the KC game too, where Zeke was bottled up, for what it's worth (Zeke ain't a bad decoy, of course). I think he'll bounce back in the next few weeks, then be an above-average QB over the next few years, just not a superstar. He just doesn't yet have the deep touch or pocket presence of Russell Wilson, whom I consider to be Dak's upper ceiling. 

[Borat]

6 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Meh. How would Newton look without always having a top 5, if not the very best, defense in the league. How would he look with the Patriots or Saints defense? How would he react knowing he’d have to put up 30+ points a game to win like Brady and Brees?

Cam defenders to the rescue, post #1, getting defensive and comparing a situation that has absolutely nothing to do with him except oh that’s right ‘people’, like who exactly? Give me a break and get over your insecurities, making the Panther fans look immature and dumb.

For what it's worth, I think Cam would flourish in Dallas' offense, but good point. By my estimation the only QBs I'd consider a 'sure thing' in any situation are Brady, Rodgers, and Brees. 

[raleigh-panther]

For years, Dallas has been mediocre and has their built in excuses 

I have never seen a team do so little and continue to get so much press

Fact is, other than a fluke with Parcells years ago, they have been nothing special since Jimmy Johnson

[Borat]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

For years, Dallas has been mediocre and has their built in excuses 

I have never seen a team do so little and continue to get so much press

Fact is, other than a fluke with Parcells years ago, they have been nothing special since Jimmy Johnson

I actually think Romo covered up quite a few of their (massive, in my book) deficiencies over the past ~decade or so. A lot of those 8-8 seasons would have been 4/5 wins without him. Too bad he isn't a little younger (and wasn't sacked so often) -- the team he deserves around him is finally in Dallas, but he's in the booth.