Hypothetical: Hue Jackson

[Mr. Scot]

So let's say for a moment that Mike Shula does move on next season to a head coaching opportunity or, for whatever reason, just isn't here anymore.

One of my favorite choices for a coordinator - in any phase of the game - is someone who's been good enough to get a head coaching job or consideration but has either failed at it (like Dick LeBeau) or just doesn't seem interested (a la Jim Johnson).

A coach of that sort could be available next year.

After his performance with the Browns, I think it's pretty safe to say that Hue Jackson is not getting another head coaching opportunity anytime soon, if ever. Even so, he's an accomplished OC with a consistent record of success. Throw in too that his background is in the same sort of Coryell type systems that the Panthers have typically run under Ron Rivera.

So he'd be a slam dunk choice, right?

Wellll...

If you've watched him on Hard Knocks, you know that Jackson's personality is... interesting. At times, he seems to enjoy annoying people, especially serious, stoic types like Mike Zimmer. Rivera's not as hard nosed as Zimmer (few are) but still, he and Jackson could very easily be an oil and water type mix.

There is also the fact that Rivera interviewed Jackson here before, and chose Mike Shula over him. It's quite possible that Jackson rubbed Rivera the wrong way in the interview process. That's speculation, of course, but believable speculation nonetheless.

Then there are the rumors. It's been whispered that Jackson is the sort who'll stab a colleague in the back to get ahead. Is there any truth to this? Frankly, I have no idea, but it's out there. Of course, given the current situation, there may not be much to gain even if it is true since Jackson's not likely to get another head coaching offer while the stink of the Cleveland fiasco still lingers.

Lastly, not so much a negative as a question: How would a personality like Jackson mesh with Cam Newton? Mike Shula tends to be measured and controlled, even when he's angry. Jackson is more the type to blister the walls. How well would that work with a player of Newton's caliber and temperament?

So what say you?

If there is an opening for the offensive coordinator position next year, would you want Hue Jackson to be the guy who fills it?

[adub2b23]

Honestly I haven't felt like the play calling has been bad the last few weeks.  I'm a bit frustrated that Stewart is still getting so many carries (I think CAP should get his), but I think that is more Rivera's doing than Shula.  

Something about Hue Jackson rubs me the wrong way though.  I know he has a decent body of work as a coordinator, but like you said, I don't know if he would mesh.  We would probably be more likely to promote someone within anyways.

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, I'd rather avoid guys like this who can upset the organizational balance. I think he's a helluva offensive coach, but there's too much smoke for their not to be some fire regarding some of the baggage that comes along with him. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, adub2b23 said:

Honestly I haven't felt like the play calling has been bad the last few weeks.  I'm a bit frustrated that Stewart is still getting so many carries (I think CAP should get his), but I think that is more Rivera's doing than Shula.  

Something about Hue Jackson rubs me the wrong way though.  I know he has a decent body of work as a coordinator, but like you said, I don't know if he would mesh.  We would probably be more likely to promote someone within anyways.

Something about Hue Jackson rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Now with that said, I can't imagine working with Bill Belichick on a daily basis is exactly a load of laughs, but he's successful.

Would you be willing to work closely with someone you didn't like if it meant success and glory?

[Saca312]

Hue Jackson as an OC for a Cam Newton team?

Wew. We’d be going to the superbowl guaranteed next year.

Ignore the personality. Just focus on the magic he makes. He’d be what Shanahan was to Ryan for Cam Newton x1000000

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

Sadly, possible.

There are numerous indications that Dorsey is more "buddy" to Cam than actual coach. I have a hard time believing he'd be successful in a more authoritative role like coordinator. 

Rivera might believe it, though.

Regardless, in this thread I'm looking less at what I believe will actually happen and more at whether or not you think Hue could work here as OC.

[TheRumGone]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Hue Jackson as an OC for a Cam Newton team?

Wew. We’d be going to the superbowl guaranteed next year.

Ignore the personality. Just focus on the magic he makes. He’d be what Shanahan was to Ryan for Cam Newton x1000000

How old are you?

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Hue Jackson as an OC for a Cam Newton team?

Wew. We’d be going to the superbowl guaranteed next year.

Ignore the personality. Just focus on the magic he makes. He’d be what Shanahan was to Ryan for Cam Newton x1000000

So you'd jump on that bandwagon with both feet.

I have a feeling you're not alone.

[JakeDel5674]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Hue Jackson as an OC for a Cam Newton team?

Wew. We’d be going to the superbowl guaranteed next year.

Ignore the personality. Just focus on the magic he makes. He’d be what Shanahan was to Ryan for Cam Newton x1000000

I don't agree with you on much, but this right here is the truth.  I've had enough of the "cohesive" attitude bull poo.  It's still after these years gotten us ZERO Super Bowl rings, and zero back to back winning seasons.  Sometimes a change could help tremendously, and Jackson would be interesting.  And if it doesn't work out, it's not like Shula wouldn't be there for us to hire again.  

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, TheRumGone said:

How old are you?

I've always been under the impression that Sac is around college age.

To me though, it's less about age than work experience.

If you've been out in the work world for a while, chances are you've had to work with somebody you don't like.

It can really, really suck, which is why I don't think this is as easy a question as it might seem.

[Saca312]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So you'd jump on that bandwagon with both feet.

I have a feeling you're not alone.

In all respects, I just want a coordinator who can maximize the skillset Cam Newton possesses, and it’s quite possible Hue Jackson is the guy for it.

While Shula has actually been decent as of late in play design, he does lack in the feel and flow of the game, much like Sarkisian has struggled with early on for the Falcons this year.

Hue Jackson is arguably one of the top minds when it comes to offensive scheme and playcalling. I would be ecstatic if he worked with a Newton offense.

Personality wise, it’s always good to have someone who meshes well with everyone for good working relationships, especially considering the Chip Kelly experiment in Philly. But even so, a role as an OC should be strong in the intellect and creativity department more-so than playing buddy buddy in my opinion.

[JakeDel5674]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've always been under the impression that Sac is around college age.

To me though, it's less about age than work experience.

If you've been out in the work world for a while, chances are you've had to work with somebody you don't like.

It can really, really suck, which is why I don't think this is as easy a question as it might seem.

Scot, do you think Jackson could maximize McCaffrey's potential?  I think Shula has ruined him to an extent so far.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Saca312 said:

In all respects, I just want a coordinator who can maximize the skillset Cam Newton possesses, and it’s quite possible Hue Jackson is the guy for it.

While Shula has actually been decent as of late in play design, he does lack in the feel and flow of the game, much like Sarkisian has struggled with early on for the Falcons this year.

Hue Jackson is arguably one of the top minds when it comes to offensive scheme and playcalling. I would be ecstatic if he worked with a Newton offense.

 

Understood.

You remember that other guy we had who was good at his job but had a prickly personality though, right?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, JakeDel5674 said:

Scot, do you think Jackson could maximize McCaffrey's potential?  I think Shula has ruined him to an extent so far.  

If we're talking strictly about schematic questions regarding Jackson, yeah I think he'd be successful.

The man knows offense. I doubt anyone would deny that.