Jonathan Stewart critiques last year's offense

[JARROD]

Let me add to deliberate and decisive.

even if they are,.. we always hear that the “right” play was called but the players didn’t execute.

sometimes people mess up true.

but many times those player CANT make those “right” plays called, wrong personnel or bad matchup.

so a deliberate decisive play caller is required, but to be consistently successful, it’s having the deliberate intelligent awareness of which “right” plays will work for the personnel on the field.

1. be technically and tactically proficient 

2. know your subordinates and task them appropriately

two of the 11 Marine Corps leadership principles.

[thefuzz]

28 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Oh I give him credit for actually making the move. Though honestly I don't think he had much of a choice if we want to be honest, since he was being pushed to make a move last year.

But I hope it isn't too little too late after almost sacrificing our QB for a winning record. He also considered zero outside candidates and that should be a little alarming considering his penchant for stubbornly forcing his philosophy at all costs. I just hope he let's Norv run things his own way.

Cam is in his prime...I don't like how long it took, but the next 5 years, injuries aside, should be Cam's best.

Personally, I didn't think Ole Ron had it in him.

[Fox007]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I said initially that Hurney played a role in the quick ouster of Shula.

I think Rivera was given an ultimatum of sorts before his extension.

I shudder to think of a Rivera team sans Cam/Luke....

[TheRed]

Just now, thefuzz said:

Cam is in his prime...I don't like how long it took, but the next 5 years, injuries aside, should be Cam's best.

Personally, I didn't think Ole Ron had it in him.

Run game has to step up big for Cam in 2018. He shouldn't have to be running for any more than 300 or 400 yards a season from here on out if we want him to have a long career.

[thefuzz]

Just now, TheRed said:

Run game has to step up big for Cam in 2018. He shouldn't have to be running for any more than 300 or 400 yards a season from here on out if we want him to have a long career.

I agree, and also look to past comments from Cam no less, about asking a lion not to roar....

 

I think that Cam enjoys running....but he's going to have to stop at some point if he want's to play a long time.

[Davidson Deac II]

56 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Criticism of former coaches is very rare. It's generally "thank you for everything you did for us and best of luck on your future" or some such. 

The exceptions tend to be either highly personal (players and coaches that heavily dislike each other) or very generic (like "it was just a bad fit" or "we needed to move in a different direction").

A player essentially saying that a former coach didn't know what he was doing? Yikes.

Or its a player who knows he only has a year or two left at best, and can say what he wants to with little fear of future repercussions. 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Davidson Deac II said:

Or its a player who knows he only has a year or two left at best, and can say what he wants to with little fear of future repercussions. 

True.

But when was the last time we heard Stewart say anything remotely negative?

Isn't really his style.

[JARROD]

12 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

I shudder to think of a Rivera team sans Cam/Luke....

I’m thinking Somewhere between Cleveland and the Jets,..maybe the Rams with Jeff Fisher,..

yeh— the rams with Jeff Fisher— that would be us without Cam and Luke,..

[Camp Fodder]

4 hours ago, UpstatePanther said:

This is vindication for what Panthers fans have been saying since the end of Shula's first year. You know it's bad when even the players are coming out and calling out the previous OC. I'm very curious what Cam has to say about it. But this revelation is confirmation that our team has always succeeded in spite of Shula as opposed to succeeding because of Shula. Rest assured that Norv will come into every single game with a concrete game plan, and will also know how to adjust what isn't working. I have faith he will help Cam look more like the quarterback we know him to be. Color me super excited for 2018.

You aren't wrong. It's my only criticism of Stew. But he's also a HARD man to take down. If Norv can get our linemen opening up holes for Stew and he can just run downhill with a head of steam? look out. He'll still run people over. Something else Norv will help with: I doubt we see the heavy use of CMC up the middle and Stew bouncing to the outside. Stew is meant to be a one-cut-and-dive RB at his age. He still has the power to do it. Likewise, CMC is an edge back. He's the guy that made everyone miss in space in college. Norv will use both of them accordingly.

Last thought: it wouldn't surprise me at all if Norv drafts a stud young power back to spell JStew. CMC as a scat back can be replaced if he goes down by any WR on the roster save for Funch. And that play against the Saints where CMC scored late to keep us in the game was a thing of beauty but guess what, he was in the slot. CMC is a great scat back, but his greatest value is always going to be making defenses guess how he's going to be used. We are still left needing a power back to take the reigns from Stew when he really is done. And maybe that's CAP. Idk. But Norv will know.

It’s really refreshing knowing we now have a coordinator that will know

[Mr. Scot]

I was watching some old Barry Sanders highlights recently.  It occurred to me how much physical similarity Stewart had to Sanders, and they both had amazing balance. Sanders was obviously better (and much more durable) but stylistically they're a lot alike.

There's a lot to be said for having a runningback that's hard to get off his feet.

 

[JARROD]

39 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I was watching some old Barry Sanders highlights recently.  It occurred to me how much physical similarity Stewart had to Sanders, and they both had amazing balance. Sanders was obviously better (and much more durable) but stylistically they're a lot alike.

There's a lot to be said for having a runningback that's hard to get off his feet.

 

I’m a Stewart homer, was in the drama of that draft as everyone else wanted Derrick Harvey,... poo on them!

but Barry Sanders for me was the best running back ever. I love his highlights, still astounds me how he could change direction so fast, stay on his feet, have a pile form over him and somehow pop out and run away. 

Stewart,.... this year was a year that I almost folded with the “he’s done” talks. 

Until one game I watched him run a sweep, everyone run blitzed and he was engulfed 2 yards behind scrimmage at least, he changed direction through several players and somehow stayed on his feet for 4 yard gain kicking still.

6 yards. He had tons of those this year where his line of scrimmage was 2 yards back, so he had to get 2 yards to be at zero.

so when people say 3.09 yard average the last so many games,... he really averaged over 5.

get a passing game, a real one that has to be respected. Get the ball out of Cams hands faster so run blitzes stop,.. and watch the “resurgence”

only marty knows if we will in carolina.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, JARROD said:

I’m a Stewart homer, was in the drama of that draft as everyone else wanted Derrick Harvey,... poo on them!

but Barry Sanders for me was the best running back ever. I love his highlights, still astounds me how he could change direction so fast, stay on his feet, have a pile form over him and somehow pop out and run away. 

Stewart,.... this year was a year that I almost folded with the “he’s done” talks. 

Until one game I watched him run a sweep, everyone run blitzed and he was engulfed 2 yards behind scrimmage at least, he changed direction through several players and somehow stayed on his feet for 4 yard gain kicking still.

6 yards. He had tons of those this year where his line of scrimmage was 2 yards back, so he had to get 2 yards to be at zero.

so when people say 3.09 yard average the last so many games,... he really averaged over 5.

get a passing game, a real one that has to be respected. Get the ball out of Cams hands faster so run blitzes stop,.. and watch the “resurgence”

only marty knows if we will in carolina.

What people always have trouble with when talking about older players is longevity and endurance.

A guy makes a really nice play in a game and we think "Oh, he's still got it."

Except it's not one game.  It's sixteen games or more.  Guys like Charles Johnson and Thomas Davis that might have looked okay or passable on week one were flagging by the time we got to season's end.

I love Stewart.  He's probably the best runningback the Panthers have ever had.  But I'm not convinced he can go a full season as a starter anymore.

It's a shame, but it happens all the time.

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What people always have trouble with when talking about older players is longevity and endurance.

A guy makes a really nice play in a game and we think "Oh, he's still got it."

Except it's not one game.  It's sixteen games or more.  Guys like Charles Johnson and Thomas Davis that might have looked okay or passable on week one were flagging by the time we got to season's end.

I love Stewart.  He's probably the best runningback the Panthers have ever had.  But I'm not convinced he can go a full season as a starter anymore.

It's a shame, but it happens all the time.

Right— I’m thinking like Jerome Bettie time. 

Then again, we have CMac,.. Norvs version of Marshall Faulk.

If we are running 25 times a game, CMac gets 10-15 carries, stewart 5-10 carries and Cam somewhere in the 5 carry category that would work.

we do need a younger version of Stewart—I just haven’t seen one.

[TheRed]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I agree, and also look to past comments from Cam no less, about asking a lion not to roar....

 

I think that Cam enjoys running....but he's going to have to stop at some point if he want's to play a long time.

Well you have to acknowledge that in gameday situations Cam realizes what's at stake and knows if our run game isn't working. If he has to take over he has and will. In 2015 we ran really well overall and Cam just accented that and ran when he needed to fairly conservatively. We need to get back to that.