Gettleman takes shot at McAdoo

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Three division titles, four playoff appearances out of five seasons (yes counting this one, per your own statements) and the single best season in team history.

What's Hurney got to match up with that?

Everytime I hear somebody complaining about Gettleman, it's always some whiny b--ch ass bulls--t like "he cut my favorite player", "he said mean things", blah blah blah. In the end it always boils down to somebody's poor delicate little feelings getting hurt.

What I never hear anybody say is that we were winning more under Hurney, because we weren't.

It's football. It's a big boy game. People are going to say things to you that you don't like. It happens.

And if the next owner gets a real GM in here instead of someone who's daddy to a big happy family, it's going to happen a whole lot more.

Why am I seeing Hurney's name?

I thought we were talking about all the "winning" under Gettleman?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheRed said:

Why am I seeing Hurney's name?

I thought we were talking about all the "winning" under Gettleman?

And you still don't have an answer to that.

Here's a simple question, Red. Between Gettleman and that guy you always like to point out drafted Cam Newton, which GM had the best winning percentage?

(and try to actually answer the question instead of trying to duck it and avoid it or spin the discussion into some other direction; because if you do that, you admit defeat)

I'll give you a hint: It ain't close.

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And you still don't have an answer to that.

Here's a simple question, Red. Between Gettleman and that guy you always like to point out drafted Cam Newton, which GM had the best winning percentage?

(and try to actually answer the question instead of trying to duck it and avoid it or spin the discussion into some other direction; because if you do that, you admit defeat)

I'll give you a hint: It ain't close.

I've stated enough times to make both of our heads spin that I don't want Hurney as GM.

How does Hurney being a sh*t general manager overall have anything to do with addressing Gettleman's gaffes?

[TheRed]

Also, you were pissing and moaning to me all day about deflecting, and here you are gladly doing it yourself.

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I've stated enough times to make both of our heads spin that I don't want Hurney as GM.

How does Hurney being a sh*t general manager overall have anything to do with addressing Gettleman's gaffes?

 

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Also, you were pissing and moaning to me all day about deflecting, and here you are gladly doing it yourself.

Exactly the kind of responses I expected, and even predicted, and yet you still did it.

You lose.

[carpanfan96]

2 hours ago, stbugs said:

I think it was $12 per season, but I love someone trying to say Norman said he’d play here for $10M per season. That’s complete BS.

Hey, I know the tag is well over $13M and a one year deal, but what I’m looking for is a one year $10M before I sign the tag. WTF?

Lol, I went to look it up and the tag was $14M. @carpanfan96 you actually think Norman was going to set fire to $4M and sign a one year $10M deal before he signed the tag? 

The offer was made by his new agent after the tag was rescinded. He tried to sign the tag while his new agent was flying out to NC to negotiate with the Panthers. 

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Exactly the kind of responses I expected, and even predicted, and yet you still did it.

You lose.

I lose? What is this, a game show?

[PantherCam213]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

I've stated enough times to make both of our heads spin that I don't want Hurney as GM.

How does Hurney being a sh*t general manager overall have anything to do with addressing Gettleman's gaffes?

Actually, you should have been a politico. I've never known any of them to answer the question asked either.

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, frash.exe said:

ok so why do you think gettleman got hired by a different team to be a gm? fired general managers rarely get a second shot so if he got fired the odds were against him by default. 

it’s because the reason he got fired was for petty bullshit that the owner had against him and everybody knows it. the giants knew it, and they know that JR had no idea what he let go. in contrast, hurney got fired in 2012 bc he’s a shitty businessman, and the reason why he got rehired is bc JR wants to make sure his favorite players are showered with cap breaking contracts again, and you know who’s good at doing that? marty hurney.

Perhaps he did get fired for "petty bullshit," I don't know, but it's very possible.  I also know that if you buck up against your boss,  you're likely going bye-bye.  I have said before that I wouldn't have fired Gettleman. He'd have likely gotten another season or two out of me to work his plan.  That being said,  I'm glad he's gone because, as I see it,  as time unfolds the truth of his dogma as it pertains to team building basically shows that he needs to alter his approach. In Charlotte, too much meat was left on the bone,  meat that may have fed us that championship that we so crave. 

 

[carpanfan96]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

That’s not what you said when we quoted you. You said before the tag was rescinded that he was willing to take a 1 year $10M non tag deal. That makes no sense since the tag was a 1 year $14M deal that was already set in stone if he signs it.

Also, Norman and his agent said no to a $12M per season longer term deal before the tag. If he was really gung ho about a team friendly deal either he signs the tag early because it’s a nice amount or we easily work out a deal at the $12M per year. It didn’t take him long to sign a $15M per year deal with Washington.

 

it was 4 years 11m and Gettleman never budged from that offer at all, not once. My bad for wording wrong, meant one was before and one was after the tag was rescinded. Plus he wasn't being informed by his agent or the team on how bad the talks were going, he let his agent handle the talks like most players do. 

It wouldn't have taken long for him to sign the one year deal here either as he had switched to a new agent and that's who handled the Redskins contract. 

Norman loved playing for Wilks and didn't want to leave is the point I was making, if has a different agent at the start of talks more then likely he's still here. 

[frash.exe]

12 hours ago, top dawg said:

Perhaps he did get fired for "petty bullshit," I don't know, but it's very possible.  I also know that if you buck up against your boss,  you're likely going bye-bye.  I have said before that I wouldn't have fired Gettleman. He'd have likely gotten another season or two out of me to work his plan.  That being said,  I'm glad he's gone because, as I see it,  as time unfolds the truth of his dogma as it pertains to team building basically shows that he needs to alter his approach. In Charlotte, too much meat was left on the bone,  meat that may have fed us that championship that we so crave. 

 

either way he’s now got a new boss and these guys are going to give him the level of authority he never had here, and his old boss has to sell the team over being exposed for the kind of person he truly is.

hopefully the next majority owner understands that there are things he doesn’t know, and things he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know about the process of personnel management.

[Mr. Scot]

Related: Gettleman was asked in a Giants presser introducing Pat Shurmur why he didn't hire him here in 2013.

Gantt retweeted with this...

Gettleman had also stated he would never force a head coach to fire an assistant either (that question was originally asked about Richard Rodgers) though Voth has confirmed he did "pressure" Rivera regarding Shula and Dorsey last year.  Rivera reportedly "stuck his neck out" for Shula, though he wound up firing him a year later.

Who knows what could have been if Rivera had listened and hired Shurmur instead.

[top dawg]

I always said that if Rivera were to go down,  it would be because of Shula.  Now,  problem solved! 

[MasterAwesome]

On 1/25/2018 at 8:16 PM, TheRed said:

What you and others refuse to admit is, today's DG defenders are basically an indiscernible throwback of the ardent "Hurneymagic" supporters before things went completely off the rails.

And years down the line, opinions will shift, and Dave will ultimately be regarded the same as Hurney is now.

The common trait between the two is the steadfast blind condemnation of any discussion that might tilt negatively.

I've really liked your contributions in years past, but you are failing to see what all those years of living through Hurney's bullshit has done to you. You're completely and utterly failing to see it now because you are blinded by DG's charm or persona or whatever the hell it is you're hung up on. But eventually it is going to sink in.

Holy moly, sounds awfully familiar...almost like someone’s defense mechanism anytime anyone says anything remotely critical about Cam’s footwork or mechanics.

Will I be receiving a poop or a deflection now? I hope both!